S class broke into without keys

[219]

Changing the codes ought to be a simple software exercise , perhaps doable on Star ?

 

[UrBusted]

Changing the codes ought to be a simple software exercise , perhaps doable on Star ?

I thought it would have to be done online with Germany via VDOK or something along those lines as when ordering a key you give them a VIN

 

[uumode]

Someone in the comments section here recommends just removing a few strategic fuses from the car

"Take the two main fuses off your car if you must park outside in a bad area.
It takes a couple of minutes.
Thiefs never carry any replacement parts.
Without fuses the car is not going any where."



(not Mercedes but similar principle)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZIW0J0_tS4

 

[219]

I thought it would have to be done online with Germany via VDOK or something along those lines as when ordering a key you give them a VIN

Even the newer cars have metal keys for the door locks which have to be cut and the configuration is stored against the chassis no .

The electronic codes will be stored the same way , but IIRC , you can add additional electronic keys , each of which has its own identity .

To change the car's lock codes may well involve going online , but the dealer would do this via Star . Otherwise it may just be a matter of deleting all existing keys and coding new ones .

All of this may be covered by insurance , just as it always was to change locks and keys ( house or car ) if metal keys were lost or stolen .

 

[Benzowner]

Can you elaborate on "already been unlocked"? Surely if the lights etc have flashed that's an indication of it being locked. They would flash again if it then unlocked itself?

All I will say is, try locking the car with the passenger door open

 

[DrNick]

Even the newer cars have metal keys for the door locks which have to be cut and the configuration is stored against the chassis no .

The electronic codes will be stored the same way , but IIRC , you can add additional electronic keys , each of which has its own identity .

To change the car's lock codes may well involve going online , but the dealer would do this via Star . Otherwise it may just be a matter of deleting all existing keys and coding new ones .

All of this may be covered by insurance , just as it always was to change locks and keys ( house or car ) if metal keys were lost or stolen .

I thought the codes changed each time the key was pressed anyway?

 

[DrNick]

All I will say is, try locking the car with the passenger door open

I will, but its a devious thief who manages to get me to leave a passenger door open when I've just got out the drivers side! But I suppose they are a devious lot by nature

 

[John Jones Jr]

I've already searched up and down everywhere - I wish it was her who had taken it lol

Judging by your opening post, I presumed you checked the the rubbish bins?
Pay no attention to me even if it reminds me of the newspaper photo where a woman cut up her husband's suits and shirts.

P.s. More importantly you've still got the car.

 

[gr1nch]

To gr1nch, I still don't regret buying this car and hope this doesn't deter you, it is by far the best car in the price range for what it is.

Thanks, I'm really looking forward to picking it up next Wednesday, but I'm having kittens with all these theiving entry methods. The original concern I had, when ordering the car, was vandalism - but that seems small beer now compared to the theft permutations!

Re: the video.
I'd like to know in detail how those young thieves took that RS4. The tools they used seem to be small. One of them looked to be hanging onto the house's front door handle, presumably in case the householder tried to open it.

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[Deleted128943]

Disklock works fine, it's a great investment, without a key I believe I grinder is required to get it off which would damage the steering wheel and most likely the sparks would set the car on fire. I used one for years when parking at airports for two weeks a month, other cars were attacked but not mine......

 

[dejongj]

My point was:

Any crime carries a risk to the criminal. A criminal, going to all the trouble/expense, of creating a mechanism to unlock a high value car, just on the off chance that there may be something worth stealing in the trunk?

Then doing it in a Private, Security Gated, Enclosed Estate? That does not do it for me.

They either thought there was something worth their efforts in the trunk (not your suits & pants) or they were/are planning on taking the car. If the latter? They will be back.

I fully agree. The cost involved in getting the equipment for this car and the other cars doesn't seem to make sense to them just try and steal some goods left inside of it. The investment vs risk vs reward doesn't make any sense to me. Also if it was a trial run, then why take goods and alarm the owner. I can't help but think there is a possible other explanation.

 

[dejongj]

I will, but its a devious thief who manages to get me to leave a passenger door open when I've just got out the drivers side! But I suppose they are a devious lot by nature

Unless trained, most of us just don't look for such signs. I mean there was nobody in the drivers seat so why should the door be adjar.

 

[Deleted128943]

Thanks, I'm really looking forward to picking it up next Wednesday, but I'm having kittens with all these theiving entry methods. The original concern I had, when ordering the car, was vandalism - but that seems small beer now compared to the theft permutations!

Re: the video.
I'd like to know in detail how those young thieves took that RS4. The tools they used seem to be small. One of them looked to be hanging onto the house's front door handle, presumably in case the householder tried to open it.

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I couple of years ago there was a major security floor allowing thieves to clone keys via the OBD port. This is how they did it in the S4 video. The first guy dives through the smashed side window and plugs a device into the ODB port which disables the alarm this gives more time to plug a second device into the OBD port which downloads the stored key code from the ECU, then the code is used to clone a blank key to steal the vehicle. This can all be done in under a minute. I understand that ODB software has changed in that key codes are only available if an original key is present in the car/ignition.

I used to park my Audi SQ5 at an airport for two weeks of every month, for peace of mind I unclipped the ODB port and extended it another hidden accessible position then fitted a dummy OBD port in place of the original. When I replaced the SQ5 with an S5 I stuck ODB port disabled stickers on the side windows. It's a case of a visible deterrent meant hopefully thieves will give my car a miss and have a go at another. Now I own a Merc GLC Coupe and use a Disklock, it's almost impossible to remove without a key.

 

[dejongj]

Unless trained, most of us just don't look for such signs. I mean there was nobody in the drivers seat so why should the door be adjar.

That should have said; passenger seat oops.

 

[UrBusted]

It was a great investment purchasing the alarm. A single man came last night at around 5 and attempted to open the trunk. He had a device in his hand, and the alarm "signal" inside the car started flashing quick. I assume that the signal was blocked by the alarm or it was the total closure item of the system in work(I could be wrong). There was nothing of any value inside the car(except some SD cards) so it appears they come Saturday night to try. I called the police and they found nothing to show anyone had touched the car, it was wet so even if they were gloves there should be something. Have to say this alarm was well worth the money :bannana:
FYI, the alarm was a Clifford 650mkii fitted by caraudiosecurity.
Also, at the association meeting for the area, this issue was repeated by 5 other members there, they're only targeting high value vehicles. It's impossible for them to steal a car from here as the only exit for cars is a gatehouse manned by 5 people who need to authorise everyone who exits and leaves before it's opened.

 

[Deleted128943]

That should have said; passenger seat oops.

OBD cloning was the way it was done search for OBD key cloning on Youtube and watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3uU0eRZFdI....

I also used an ODB Saver https://sailesmarketing.com/product-category/obdsaver/ in my regular Airport parking days. As I have it I may see if it fits my GLC....

 

[uumode]

It was a great investment purchasing the alarm. A single man came last night at around 5 and attempted to open the trunk. He had a device in his hand, and the alarm "signal" inside the car started flashing quick. I assume that the signal was blocked by the alarm or it was the total closure item of the system in work(I could be wrong). There was nothing of any value inside the car(except some SD cards) so it appears they come Saturday night to try. I called the police and they found nothing to show anyone had touched the car, it was wet so even if they were gloves there should be something. Have to say this alarm was well worth the money :bannana:
FYI, the alarm was a Clifford 650mkii fitted by caraudiosecurity.
Also, at the association meeting for the area, this issue was repeated by 5 other members there, they're only targeting high value vehicles. It's impossible for them to steal a car from here as the only exit for cars is a gatehouse manned by 5 people who need to authorise everyone who exits and leaves before it's opened.

I assume that fitting a third party alarm would mean it adds a layer of security and would immobolise the car's engine. Where the factory fit system wouldn't as the thieves would have cloned the key either via the OBD port or other means and disable the factory alarm and fire up the ignition?

 

[Deleted128943]

I assume that fitting a third party alarm would mean it adds a layer of security and would immobolise the car's engine. Where the factory fit system wouldn't as the thieves would have cloned the key either via the OBD port or other means and disable the factory alarm and fire up the ignition?

I understood that overriding the alarm and key cloning via the OBD port is a thing of the past on cars where the power rail in the OBD remained live whilst the car was locked. All the thieves did was plug in their cloning equipment which used the power from the power rail to disable the alarm, download the key code and clone a key. Some Audi owners used to remove the fuse that killed the OBD port power or take it a step further and install a hidden switch in the OBD power wire. I imagine new cars purchased in the last 24mths have a different OBD power set up and key codes are stored in a different way. I read that key codes were downloaded because once the OBD was accessed the manufacturer released the code, I believe these days as a result of cloning thefts no key codes are released during OBD access unless the key code has activated the OBD in the first place.....

 

[UrBusted]

I assume that fitting a third party alarm would mean it adds a layer of security and would immobolise the car's engine. Where the factory fit system wouldn't as the thieves would have cloned the key either via the OBD port or other means and disable the factory alarm and fire up the ignition?

Yes, I can immobilise the car. It's got proximity sensor which I tested and works as well as many other features which make sure the car can't be opened.

 

[Will]

Unless trained, most of us just don't look for such signs. I mean there was nobody in the drivers seat so why should the door be adjar.

That reminds me:

When's a door not a door?

When it's ajar