Stop expanding the ULEZ to all the London boroughs in 2023

[Benzowner]

Being from Bristol, not really had any reason to look at this topic, however, we do fly from Heathrow on a regular basis to my daughters in Luxembourg and notice that on the online maps the whole of Heathrow is now, or will be, inside the new zone. Is Mayor Khan going to charge the airlines for use of the airport? On a personal basis, I use a parking company which currently is outside but will be inside the new zone so will have to find alternative parking, I know there is one at Slough, but wonder how many parking companies will be affected.

 

[John N]

Being from Bristol, not really had any reason to look at this topic, however, we do fly from Heathrow on a regular basis to my daughters in Luxembourg and notice that on the online maps the whole of Heathrow is now, or will be, inside the new zone. Is Mayor Khan going to charge the airlines for use of the airport? On a personal basis, I use a parking company which currently is outside but will be inside the new zone so will have to find alternative parking, I know there is one at Slough, but wonder how many parking companies will be affected.

Post High-jack:

I assume that the following doesn't affect you:

Bristol Clean Air Zone kicks in on 28th November, meaning that many cars will need to pay a £9 charge. You can check your own vehicle here: https://www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/streets-travel/bristols-caz

 

[markjay]

Being from Bristol, not really had any reason to look at this topic, however, we do fly from Heathrow on a regular basis to my daughters in Luxembourg and notice that on the online maps the whole of Heathrow is now, or will be, inside the new zone. Is Mayor Khan going to charge the airlines for use of the airport?

Interesting question, made me Google...:

"...Most NOx emissions from aviation do not occur near the ground, and more than 90% occur above 3,000 ft..."

https://www.icao.int/environmental-protection/Documents/EnvironmentalReports/2022/ENVReport2022_Art18.pdf

So it's still a big problem globally, just not a local one for those living near airports.

On a personal basis, I use a parking company which currently is outside but will be inside the new zone so will have to find alternative parking, I know there is one at Slough, but wonder how many parking companies will be affected.

Is this the car you're driving when you're going to Heathrow?

Qashqai Acenta Premium 1.6 Diesel

If so, how old is it?

 

[poormansporsche]

In my opinion I think most Londoners don't really have a issue with the principal of it, it's just the implementation and current timing of it. The fundamental problem is simple, how much extra shit can you dump on ordinary working people's plates, it's just one thing after another.

If I was Khan and I wanted to show I was genuinely concerned about people's welfare (ha ha snigger snigger) and wanted to show it wasn't just about money, I would continue with scheme but for the first 6 months charge a nominal fee say a quid, then the next 6 months a fiver, then go the full whack after a year. This would allow the people to gradually get used to it and transition to the "currently accepted" clean cars at their own pace.

But of course he is not going to do that because he's a typical hypocritical champagne socialist who doesn't give a flying **** about the people who he's is supposed to represent

 

[Benzowner]

Post High-jack:

I assume that the following doesn't affect you:

Bristol Clean Air Zone kicks in on 28th November, meaning that many cars will need to pay a £9 charge. You can check your own vehicle here: https://www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/streets-travel/bristols-caz

As I am retired, I no longer have any need to go into Bristol, all the big stores are now out of town so when we need to buy items other than food, we go there.

Interesting question, made me Google...:

"...Most NOx emissions from aviation do not occur near the ground, and more than 90% occur above 3,000 ft..."

https://www.icao.int/environmental-protection/Documents/EnvironmentalReports/2022/ENVReport2022_Art18.pdf

So it's still a big problem globally, just not a local one for those living near airports.



Is this the car you're driving when you're going to Heathrow?

Qashqai Acenta Premium 1.6 Diesel

If so, how old is it?

Yes, its a Euro 5 2014, might have to get an older Mercedes with adblue

As I mentioned though, many many car parks at Heathrow will now fall into the zone where it was previously outside and may loose custom over this. Airport parking is a big revenue earner for airports and Heathrow cannot be too happy over this.

 

[Darrell]

In my opinion I think most Londoners don't really have a issue with the principal of it, it's just the implementation and current timing of it. The fundamental problem is simple, how much extra shit can you dump on ordinary working people's plates, it's just one thing after another.

If I was Khan and I wanted to show I was genuinely concerned about people's welfare (ha ha snigger snigger) and wanted to show it wasn't just about money,

Spot on.

I would continue with scheme but for the first 6 months charge a nominal fee say a quid, then the next 6 months a fiver, then go the full whack after a year. This would allow the people to gradually get used to it and transition to the "currently accepted" clean cars at their own pace.

Don’t agree.

But of course he is not going to do that because he's a typical hypocritical champagne socialist who doesn't give a flying **** about the people who he's is supposed to represent

Spot on.

 

[poormansporsche]

Don’t agree.

I said if "If I was ****han" , if it was me personally I'd scrap the lot of it

 

[ALFAitalia]

You'll live a long and healthy life!

Breathing in all that London pollution?....he's probably just shortened it by a few years. A nice air conned car is what he needs!

 

[Dickster]

Post High-jack:

I assume that the following doesn't affect you:

Bristol Clean Air Zone kicks in on 28th November, meaning that many cars will need to pay a £9 charge. You can check your own vehicle here: https://www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/streets-travel/bristols-caz

Clean air zone? Bollocks. All the cities are jumping on the band wagon to raise money. None of it is about pollution.

 

[markjay]

Clean air zone? Bollocks. All the cities are jumping on the band wagon to raise money. None of it is about pollution.

If so, then they're idiots, because the number of non-compliant cars on our roads is rapidly disappointing due to age, and in a few years these cities will be left with an expensive system to maintain that generates little or no revenue. They are practically investing in the past instead of investing in the future. Unles, of course, it's not all about raising money?

 

[Darrell]

If so, then they're idiots, because the number of non-compliant cars on our roads is rapidly disappointing due to age, and in a few years these cities will be left with an expensive system to maintain that generates little or no revenue. They are practically investing in the past instead of investing in the future. Unles, of course, it's not all about raising money?

In 2030 all diesels will be banned so that’s what the the cameras will be looking out for and so on and so on.
The cameras will be there long after me, you and Kahn and always earning money for somebody or something.

 

[Darrell]

Breathing in all that London pollution?....he's probably just shortened it by a few years. A nice air conned car is what he needs!

I’ve been saying the same for 2-3 years. I can’t sense or smell the pollution at all (Not sure if you actually can tbh) and I feel good after my rides.

Practically everyday I’m riding in central London.

Maybe Kahn should try it himself.

 

[Dickster]

If so, then they're idiots, because the number of non-compliant cars on our roads is rapidly disappointing due to age, and in a few years these cities will be left with an expensive system to maintain that generates little or no revenue. They are practically investing in the past instead of investing in the future. Unles, of course, it's not all about raising money?

If that’s the case we don’t need them everywhere do we? Because using your logic all vehicles will be fumes free in a few years..

 

[markjay]

If that’s the case we don’t need them everywhere do we? Because using your logic all vehicles will be fumes free in a few years..

Correct, in time ULEZ won't be needed anymore because the older polluting Diesels will all be long gone from our roads, and in the meantime we gain a few years of cleaner air, which we wouldn't have without ULEZ.

 

[Dickster]

Correct, in time ULEZ won't be needed anymore because the older polluting Diesels will all be long gone from our roads, and in the meantime we gain a few years of cleaner air, which we wouldn't have without ULEZ.

Yeah, that makes as much sense as the UK leading the way in reducing global emmissions.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Being from Bristol, not really had any reason to look at this topic, however, we do fly from Heathrow on a regular basis to my daughters in Luxembourg and notice that on the online maps the whole of Heathrow is now, or will be, inside the new zone. Is Mayor Khan going to charge the airlines for use of the airport? On a personal basis, I use a parking company which currently is outside but will be inside the new zone so will have to find alternative parking, I know there is one at Slough, but wonder how many parking companies will be affected.

Always a chuckle to hear the debate about ULEZ charged to out of towners around LHR.

Do people not look up and realise that the real pollution and CO2 in Hounslow isn't coming from the roads? (Directly)

 

[st13phil]

The irony of all this is that much of the air pollution in London is absolutely nothing to do with human activity there. Instead, due to the prevailing weather systems, a huge proportion of the pollution is delivered by the wind from continental Europe.

I wonder how Citizen Khan is going to tax them in order to “prevent 4,000 early deaths” a year?

 

[Darrell]

 

[markjay]

The irony of all this is that much of the air pollution in London is absolutely nothing to do with human activity there. Instead, due to the prevailing weather systems, a huge proportion of the pollution is delivered by the wind from continental Europe.

I wonder how Citizen Khan is going to tax them in order to “prevent 4,000 early deaths” a year?

I think we keep digressing here... ULEZ (the topic of this thread) deals only with NOx emissions, not with air quality or pollution in general (or with traffic congestion, or CO2 emissions).

NOx emissions tend to remain local (monitors show higher concentrations near busy roads), and it's not being blown to the UK by the wind.

And so, ULEZ is simply meant to resolve the issue of high concentration of NOx gasses near roads in built-up areas, nothing else.

So far the only valid criticism I've seen is that the new extended zone covered roads in non-residential areas between town centres outside of central London, and that it would have made sense to apply ULEZ only to the actual residential or industrial areas within the new extended zone, rather than a blanket ULEZ that stops people from driving their older Diesel cars on roads when no-one lives or works nearby.

 

[st13phil]

ULEZ (the topic of this thread) deals only with NOx emissions, not with air quality or pollution in general

Understood.

My point is that the whole “we must cut xxx pollution” is a moving feast. In the eyes of politicians who want to raise revenue, there will always be some form of “ill” that can be eliminated by some form of financial penalty.

The sooner people wise up to the fact that it’s nothing more than greenwashing, the sooner the real rationale for the ULEZ and other money raising schemes will be understood.