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Stop expanding the ULEZ to all the London boroughs in 2023

Darrell said:
I think my business partner uses the same line but gets on at Haslemere around 6.20am. He says it’s rammed every morning, costs a bloody fortune and boy, does he moan about it.

We’ve got a job in Woking and one of our hard metals guy travels out of Waterloo on a daily basis. Everyday and both ways there are problems. The service is expensive and shite (his words)
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I concur - it is expensive and massively shite. Luckily I just go into town when I want and claim the cost on expenses so its just about bearable. I do like going in though, i love the area around Green Park.
 
markjay said:
Correct, in time ULEZ won't be needed anymore because the older polluting Diesels will all be long gone from our roads, and in the meantime we gain a few years of cleaner air, which we wouldn't have without ULEZ.
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It's comical that you think that this tax will ever go away once it's put in place
 
Dickster said:
London currently 95th worst city for air quality. It’s all about money.

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If Kahn was reading this he would say ‘with my ULEZ plan we can take London off the chart completely. What a wonderful man I am doing this for you. Money has got nothing to do with it’.
 
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alabbasi said:
It's comical that you think that this tax will ever go away once it's put in place
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The tax itself might not go away, but the old Diesel cars who pay it most certainly will.

And, eventually, all ICE cars, not just pre-EU6 Diesels, will be gone and there will be no more exhaust gass emissions in urban areas (or at least that's the government's current plan).

Or, are you suggesting that once the APNR cameras are installed, they'll be used for collecting all sorts of new taxes that will be imposed by The Mayor of London from time to time, not related to air quality?
 
I think that it's already been discussed that the impact will be marginal and the trend is going on that direction. How they will raise the revenue in the future is anybody's guess but once the get the money and spend it, they'll need to find ways to get it again. Maybe it will you gas boiler next
 
markjay said:
The tax itself might not go away, but the old Diesel cars who pay it most certainly will.
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If that’s the case then why are we going through all of this?
markjay said:
And, eventually, all ICE cars, not just pre-EU6 Diesels, will be gone and there will be no more exhaust gass emissions in urban areas (or at least that's the government's current plan).
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There’s always going to be some old stinky gas lurking about.
markjay said:
Or, are you suggesting that once the APNR cameras are installed, they'll be used for collecting all sorts of new taxes that will be imposed by The Mayor of London from time to time, not related to air quality?
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Isn’t that happened already?
 
Darrell said:
If that’s the case then why are we going through all of this?

There’s always going to be some old stinky gas lurking about.

Isn’t that happened already?
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The money side of things does indeed leave a big question mark.

Is the Mayor's office expectation is that people will 'pay to pollute', making the extended ULEZ a nice little earner for the Mayor, with no noticeable improvement in air quality?

Or is the expectation that people won't drive old Diesel cars into the zone, making the scheme expensive (as it will not be expected to generate income), but still worthwhile due to the improvement in air quality?

Or, more likely, somewhere in between?
 
markjay said:
Or, more likely, somewhere in between?
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Most likely there is already planned “scope creep”, and once the cameras and charging mechanism is in place it will be repurposed as a general road pricing system.
 
Darrell said:
Is Road pricing the same a charging by the mile?
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Fundamentally, yes. But the pricing mechanism could also be time dependent so the rate per mile would vary according to the time of day.
 
Darrell said:
Is Road pricing the same a charging by the mile?
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This depends on how it will be implemented.

If done properly, then the cost per mile will depend on several factors, such as:

- The particular stretch of road, i.e. roads that are regularly congested will be more expensive to drive on.

- The time of day, i.e. driving during 'rush hour' will cost more.

- The type of vehicle, e.g. polluting vehicles could be charged more, or the charge could be based on economic parameters such as RRP and age, or based on vehicle weight, or passenger capacity etc etc.

- Concessions, e.g. local residents, disabled people, OAPs, registered tradesmen, private hire vehicles, etc etc, either getting a discount or not paying anything at all, during certain times of day, possibly even taking into account social welfare i.e. poorer people who have to commute by private car for whatever reason.

Additionally, road pricing could be adjusted in 'real time', i.e. if a road becomes congested, then the price per mile on that road immediately goes up until it's high enough for congestion to ease. Other factors such as roadworks or closure due to traffic accidents will obviously need to be taken into account.

However, such a road pricing system will be best implemented at a national level, thus incorporating all current and future local Councils scheme such as LEZ, ULEZ, CAZ, Congestion Charge etc, as well as all toll roads and toll crossings.

That's my vision, anyway, for a fairer system where people will pay little or no money if they conform to methods of travel that are beneficial to society, and pay when they insist on travelling in ways that increase pollution or congestion.

Discuss... :D
 
Does not sound like the sort of place a petrol head like me would want to live......
 
Just to add, that in the South of Italy, ther's the A14 Autostrada
ALFAitalia said:
Does not sound like the sort of place a petrol head like me would want to live......
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Well, I don't expect that road charging will be a popular idea on motoring forums... :D
 
markjay said:
The money side of things does indeed leave a big question mark.

Is the Mayor's office expectation is that people will 'pay to pollute', making the extended ULEZ a nice little earner for the Mayor, with no noticeable improvement in air quality?

Or is the expectation that people won't drive old Diesel cars into the zone, making the scheme expensive (as it will not be expected to generate income), but still worthwhile due to the improvement in air quality?

Or, more likely, somewhere in between?
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As far as I am aware Khan has pretty much bankrupt them, so I don’t think there’s much doubt about his motives.
 
True....Im a country boy...born and bred. I love visiting the big cities....but live in one?....no thanks.
 
markjay said:
That's my vision, anyway, for a fairer system where people will pay little or no money if they conform to methods of travel that are beneficial to society, and pay when they insist on travelling in ways that increase pollution or congestion.

Discuss... :D
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There appears to be little benefit to western societies in handing China, who dominate EV battery production worldwide, all the cards under the guise of environmental concerns.

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‘Battery arms race’: how China has monopolised the electric vehicle industry

Chinese companies dominate mining, battery and manufacturing sectors, and amid human rights concerns, Europe and the US are struggling to keep pace
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