The Dread Budget - Be very Afraid !

[kikkthecat]

Mention was made in the Budget Speech of instances of housing benefit of as much as £107000. Can that be an accurate amount and if so what sort of families qualify?

The maximum amount is I believe £1800 per week. But if you add on all the countless other benefits available then the total can soon rocket past £100,000
According to the London Evening Standard some 40% of families in London are claiming housing benefit and although some only take what they need, others will always take all they can.

Google Essma Marjam to see the sort of thing you and I are paying for but could never have for ourselves. And it needs stopping instantly.

I understand that the nations debts have to be paid but there are some debts that should never have been allowed to accumalate.

My only real concern with this budget is what effect the VAT rise will have on fuel.

 

[tim.100]

We can not sustain the lifestyles of 8.5 million working aged people through our taxes. It has to stop.

Absolutely.

No representation without taxation might help! However it is incompatible with the concept of democracy.

In the long-term we will see a transfer of wealth to developing nations that utilise their resources wisely.

About your 'sustainable' comment - since we have so many millions of workless to support, and they continue to reproduce, I would advise anyone born in or after the 1970's to rely on themselves for pensions and healthcare, from say 2030.

 

[s88]

if they are going to sweep the streets why not pay them a wage that a street sweeper would be paid?

Because these people refuse jobs like that and take the benefit for doing nowt.

 

[stevieb15]

if you think new labour are socialists you're off your head.

Actually I think the conservatives are socialists

 

[stevieb15]

Absolutely.

No representation without taxation might help! However it is incompatible with the concept of democracy.

In the long-term we will see a transfer of wealth to developing nations that utilise their resources wisely.

About your 'sustainable' comment - since we have so many millions of workless to support, and they continue to reproduce, I would advise anyone born in or after the 1970's to rely on themselves for pensions and healthcare, from say 2030.

Thats such a good comment, basically if you don't contribute to the pot why should you have a say in how its distributed, obviously pensioners who have contributed for xx years would still have the vote

 

[Sp!ke]

Thats such a good comment, basically if you don't contribute to the pot why should you have a say in how its distributed, obviously pensioners who have contributed for xx years would still have the vote

What pot? They've blooming well given away the contents of that to the banks.

 

[iscaboy]

Thats such a good comment, basically if you don't contribute to the pot why should you have a say in how its distributed, obviously pensioners who have contributed for xx years would still have the vote

There IS NO PENSION POT.

There NEVER HAS BEEN a pension pot.

Those working in any one year were taxed to pay the pensions due that same year. That is how the government / state pension system works.

A little thought and you will see that such a system is HORRIBLY prone to demographics changes over time, which is exactly what we have now.

 

[Scott_F]

Thats such a good comment, basically if you don't contribute to the pot why should you have a say in how its distributed, obviously pensioners who have contributed for xx years would still have the vote

Clearly the opinions of an advanced social thinker !!

What you are advocating is taking those people at the bottom of the pile who are already socially and economically dis-enfranchised and as a final kick in the backside politically dis-enfranchising them as well.

Do the words Toxteth, St. Pauls or Tottenham ring any bells ?? Do we really want to have to re-learn those lessons ?

Such wild ideas are merely a recipe for hastening the fragmentation of society and lead to the 'haves' hiding away in their gated communities whilst the 'have nots' are kept at bay and form a resentful underclass.

 

[neilrr]

Maybe a cull then?

 

[Sp!ke]

At the very least we should alter the benefits system in such a way as to discourage them from rather than encouraging them to breed.

The only people that can afford to breed currently are on benefits and the best way for a young couple to afford to have their own home is to breed and be on benefits.

We need to invest in a research programme to establish the chav and workshy genomes and develop a gene specific contraception program and put it in the water beer supply.

 

[Rovinghawk]

50 inch plasmas don't make people happy

I'd be happy to have one

these are just scraps that are kicked down to poor people to shut them up.

I'm not poor enough to have one. I have a job.

no government wants there electorate to be healthy and intelligent

Or literate, I infer.

if they were they might ask questions like, why have we bailed out privately run banks to tune of billions?

My understanding is that we're now showing a profit on the bailout. So your point is?
[quote} why have have we auctioned off all the public services and public companies for a fraction of there value so that the MP's that brokered the deal can one day sit on the board of directors of the same company?[/quote]Please prove that assertion.

why do we have no manufacturing industry?

Speaking for my friends' factory, the government made it so it just wasn't worthwhile. I often feel close to that in my industry (engineering).

RH

 

[davethemus]

I'd be happy to have one
I'm not poor enough to have one. I have a job.
Or literate, I infer.
My understanding is that we're now showing a profit on the bailout. So your point is?
[quote} why have have we auctioned off all the public services and public companies for a fraction of there value so that the MP's that brokered the deal can one day sit on the board of directors of the same company?

Please prove that assertion.
Speaking for my friends' factory, the government made it so it just wasn't worthwhile. I often feel close to that in my industry (engineering).

RH[/QUOTE]

£850bn: official cost of the bank bailout - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

end of 2009 £850 billion given to the banks




Budget 2010: UK steering away from a tsunami of public sector expenditure - Telegraph

today the uk debt sits at £925 billion.


please educate everyone and show were these profits are, i know the companies turned a profit and the shareholders got there kick back but have the banks repaid the billions they stole?

 

[stevieb15]

There IS NO PENSION POT.

There NEVER HAS BEEN a pension pot.

Those working in any one year were taxed to pay the pensions due that same year. That is how the government / state pension system works.

A little thought and you will see that such a system is HORRIBLY prone to demographics changes over time, which is exactly what we have now.

who mentioned pensions?

 

[stevieb15]

Clearly the opinions of an advanced social thinker !!

What you are advocating is taking those people at the bottom of the pile who are already socially and economically dis-enfranchised and as a final kick in the backside politically dis-enfranchising them as well.

Do the words Toxteth, St. Pauls or Tottenham ring any bells ?? Do we really want to have to re-learn those lessons ?

Such wild ideas are merely a recipe for hastening the fragmentation of society and lead to the 'haves' hiding away in their gated communities whilst the 'have nots' are kept at bay and form a resentful underclass.

I very much doubt you know the slightest thing about St Pauls, it is half a mile from my family home at the time, if want me to tell you ask!

 

[Scott_F]

I very much doubt you know the slightest thing about St Pauls, it is half a mile from my family home at the time, if want me to tell you ask!

Well I know enough to remember the riots there in 1980 as well as in Toxteth a year later and in Tottenham in 1985. All stemmed at least in part from high levels of unemployment and social deprivation in these areas.

Toxteth was a few miles from my home at the time. So what do I need to ask you exactly ??

 

[s88]

Hopefully Scott F and Stevie B have picked a better neighbourhood this time.

 

[iscaboy]

Hopefully Scott F and Stevie B have picked a better neighbourhood this time.

<spock mode>
illogical captain, mebbe it was them wot started the last two riots?

 

[stevieb15]

Well I know enough to remember the riots there in 1980 as well as in Toxteth a year later and in Tottenham in 1985. All stemmed at least in part from high levels of unemployment and social deprivation in these areas.

Toxteth was a few miles from my home at the time. So what do I need to ask you exactly ??

Try "was the St Pauls riot something to do with social injustice or something more commercial"?

 

[iscaboy]

Try "was the St Pauls riot something to do with social injustice or something more commercial"?

AFAICR St Paul's was about "illegal" clubs / drinking houses being raided / closed down?

 

[Scott_F]

Try "was the St Pauls riot something to do with social injustice or something more commercial"?

I suppose I could try:

"Why does social unrest only occur in deprived areas that would descend into complete no-go areas if we took up your mad-cap suggestions which include denying the poor who don't pay income tax their right to even vote" ?