The EV fact thread

[MikeInWimbledon]

Our multi-occupancy office building has an array of shiny new charging stations that have been there for two or three months and I have not seen used even once.

OTOH I was on a client site a while back and they were charging EVs in the car park ....... turned out on that occasion the nice busy shiny new charging stations were attached to a diesel generator. Corporate HQ presumably demanded all locations have the facility - even if it wasn't actually practical to connect up to the grid. I'm not sure whether that was blasphemy or hypocrisy.

Visitors to the BMW at Wentworth Golf Club 14 months ago could be ferried between the remote car parks and main golf course by electric BMW limousines which were silently luxurious.

Less impressive, in the edge of one remote car park were the bank of diesel generators to charge up these BEVs as they went through the day.

Understandable and forgivable, given the logistics of shuttling people around such events on busy and wet days, but laughable all the same.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Ha ha back to the good old days.

I remember when everyone used to do this... dealers had car parks full of pre-registered cars going for cheap.

I thought this practice has disappeared given that new cars were in short supply in recent years, but I guess that 'horse' have resurrected it

We’ve discussed this many a time before. Even through the recent “shortages” there have been airfields full of less desirable pre-registered cars of all descriptions around the UK with unsaleable new ICE vehicles waiting for time to justify their “discount” on new.

These are the traditional “ex-management” that appear at four months old with last season’s registration.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Not sure if this has been covered but the Analyst briefing calls for the motoring manufacturers have been miserable this Quarter.

All the manufacturers have been reporting slower than expected sales of EVs in all markets. Tesla, MB, Ford, GM … all the usual suspects … have been warning that margins are nowhere near expected and that EV inventory is embarrassingly high.

The repeated theme is that they’re reassessing ICE production as a result of failure to shift EVs.

Some will argue that this is just manufacturers putting pressure on regulators to relax EV rollout targets and fines, but it’s an expensive way of doing it, as share prices are faltering. (Together with other economic and Quantitative tightening / interest rate hikes)

 

[Connoisseur]

New EV buses for Oxford introduced. Oxford continues charge to net zero with launch of new fully electric buses - Oxford Brookes University

 

[Mactech]

It has now been 3 years since we moved back to Norfolk and into an Eco house. During that time I have learned to 'drive' the house in the best way to get maximum economy with out sacrificing any comfort. Just using the house and equipment in it in a timely way means that it is now energy neutral.
By that I mean that my income from the energy the house makes covers both my electricity bill and a small oil bill. I have never lived anywhere with gas, I guess I'm just not a 'townie'
The system I inherited with the house means that it assumes we use half of the electricity we generate, so if I use more surplus solar power it is effectively free to me.
So as far as the EV is concerned, as and when the sun is shining, I'll store that energy under the floor of the little i3 in the garage, in the battery...
That means in the sunnier months the car is costing next to nothing in 'fuel' costs, and at the moment in a grey November it is costing an average of 15p per kWh to charge.
I did investigate a lower overnight rate, but for my overall usage, it makes no sense as I would pay more for all daytime usage.

So, from running a Georgian pile up north with six times the electricity bill(!) and 4 vehicles, to a sunny Eco Norfolk home and 'just' 2 vehicles, the savings made are not inconsiderable.......even if I don't mention the energy cost rises of the last 3 years

 

[markjay]

We’ve discussed this many a time before. Even through the recent “shortages” there have been airfields full of less desirable pre-registered cars of all descriptions around the UK with unsaleable new ICE vehicles waiting for time to justify their “discount” on new.

These are the traditional “ex-management” that appear at four months old with last season’s registration.

So is this currently a specific issue with Porsche? Or an issue with EVs from all makes across the board? Or a general issue with all cars, EVs and ICE alike?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

So is this currently a specific issue with Porsche? Or an issue with EVs from all makes across the board? Or a general issue with all cars, EVs and ICE alike?

Sorry if I wasn’t clear. This is an industry-wide practice affecting all kinds of vehicles which “aren’t selling quickly enough.”

The Taycan won’t make it to the airfields, they’ll be parked up on local storage. Other Porkers are completely unaffected. We’ve had three years of “overs.”

You will find those Nissan Leafs that get sold at six months old at a discount, but by far the majority are the cars the industry actually sells in volume: small engined ICE

 

[ALFAitalia]

As I was getting into my car to go to work this morning a Selco builders Merchant lorry silently pulled up to deliver bricks and other building stuff to a house a few along from mine. A brand new, large electric flat bed lorry....I asked the driver what he thought...his answer, word for word.

"Its a piece of shit, I don't know what the governor was thinking buying these. Id set fire to it if I was not ever hopeful that it would set fire to itself!".......another converted EV driver!!

 

[grober]

Nissan to commit to making new Qashqai and Juke electric models in Sunderland

The investment is thought to be in the region of £1bn and will help preserve 6,000 jobs

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Petrol Pete]

Our multi-occupancy office building has an array of shiny new charging stations that have been there for two or three months and I have not seen used even once.

OTOH I was on a client site a while back and they were charging EVs in the car park ....... turned out on that occasion the nice busy shiny new charging stations were attached to a diesel generator. Corporate HQ presumably demanded all locations have the facility - even if it wasn't actually practical to connect up to the grid. I'm not sure whether that was blasphemy or hypocrisy.

Both.

 

[Petrol Pete]

It will have to get to a point where governments are either providing or subsidising collision/damage insurance for EV's if the repair costs ....or non repair cost's , just write off cost carry on the way they seem to be heading if EV's are to become the norm. Granted , when the roads are full of them repair should be cheaper but in the meantime it looks pretty grim .

Here is our mild mannered (but I sense a satanic anti EV rage boiling inside his geography teacher facade) Aussie mate again (I called him a Kiwi in my first post, I am now in hiding) . He makes some valid points .

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[BTB 500]

Here is our mild mannered (but I sense a satanic anti EV rage boiling inside his geography teacher facade) Aussie mate again (I called him a Kiwi in my first post, I am now in hiding) . He makes some valid points .

It's Aussie John Cadogan you want for mild-mannered videos

He actually makes some good points, e.g. here about the few EVs where the battery pack forms the passenger compartment floor rather than being underneath it (Renault Zoe, for one):

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[Dryce]

These are the traditional “ex-management” that appear at four months old with last season’s registration.

These will be traditional 'pre-registered' rather than 'ex-management'.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

These will be traditional 'pre-registered' rather than 'ex-management'.

If dealers were honest, certainly.

Auto Trader UK - New and Used Cars For Sale

 

[ALFAitalia]

"Ex management cars"

Translates to the real world as....

"Ex returned lease cars."...........in 90% of cases.

 

[Connoisseur]

As I was getting into my car to go to work this morning a Selco builders Merchant lorry silently pulled up to deliver bricks and other building stuff to a house a few along from mine. A brand new, large electric flat bed lorry....I asked the driver what he thought...his answer, word for word.

"It’s a piece of shit, I don't know what the governor was thinking buying these. Id set fire to it if I was not ever hopeful that it would set fire to itself!".......another converted EV driver!!

lol u shelve asked what he drives daily…..

 

[markjay]

..."Its a piece of shit, I don't know what the governor was thinking..."

Tax. Costs. Savings. Profit. These sort of things...

 

[robdmarsh]

Oooh yes. I hope so. Mrs Ted and I run two. We (using the royal we there) are converts.

Drivers warned of the most and least reliable car brands on the market - Vauxhall, Mini and more

Electric and diesel cars were found to have the joint-highest vehicle fault rate

www.gbnews.com

There. Q.E.D. Hybrids are best. Thread can be closed

Old post of yours here. But I notice you conspicuously don't say MB hybrids! Are you of the opinion that quite a lot of people have that Mercedes cannot really "do" hybrids?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

"Ex management cars"
Translates to the real world as....
"Ex returned lease cars."...........in 90% of cases.

For sure, but how else to describe cars which have been "stored" on an airfield, and then kicked around a dealership for a few months, being driven to pubs, gyms and "home" most nights of the week by the dealership staff...

And then, after a mere 2000 miles, it's 25% off UK List price.

 

[markjay]

For sure, but how else to describe cars which have been "stored" on an airfield, and then kicked around a dealership for a few months, being driven to pubs, gyms and "home" most nights of the week by the dealership staff...

And then, after a mere 2000 miles, it's 25% off UK List price.

I think that what ALFAitalia was referring to is the habit of some salespeople to describe any car that had "Mercedes Benz" as the first owner, as 'ex-management' car, deliberately giving the wrong impression that the car was being driven by a senior exec at the dealership or at MB UK, while in fact all it means is the the car was supplied on a business lease to an unknown user with Mercedes Benz being the finance provider (and the first registered keeper).