The EV fact thread

[SmartAmg]

Well in Holland they are having to limit the use of charging points for electric cars.

Reason is that the grid system is struggling to !!!!!!

Yeh, but that's, Holland.

 

[markjay]

Well in Holland they are having to limit the use of charging points for electric cars.

Reason is that the grid system is struggling to !!!!!!

Clearly, that Dutch are well ahead of us when it comes to EVs uptake. Sadly, it will be a while before we reach this point here in the UK.

 

[markjay]

The RRP for my 2021 IONIQ 5 was £48k at the time (Sep 2021).

The closet I can find now is this one, with 15k miles (mine had 9k miles when I handed it back last week):

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202504251722303

The asking price (retail, from a trader) is £21.4k.

That's 55% depreciation over (nearly) 4 years.

Assuming that my car will go for a similar price, it will make a fantastic bargain for someone (especially as it had a brand-new battery pack fitted in March - although the new owner will likely not know about it!).

And, interestingly, the nominal deprecation amount - £26.6k - is actually less than what I paid for it in monthly payments over the lease period - including interest...

And so, from my perspective, the lease deal was a good one - and that's before even considering the various tax/BIK benefits.

 

[Fastcar155]

Clearly, that Dutch are well ahead of us when it comes to EVs uptake. Sadly, it will be a while before we reach this point here in the UK.

Trouble is that it's mid summer so what the supply will be like in the winter !

 

[markjay]

Trouble is that it's mid summer so what the supply will be like in the winter !

I don't follow - do the Dutch power plants produce less electricity in Winter? Or are you suggesting that demand in summer is low because people are away on their summer holidays?

 

[BTB 500]

I don't follow - do the Dutch power plants produce less electricity in Winter? Or are you suggesting that demand in summer is low because people are away on their summer holidays?

Presumably total generating capacity drops in winter as there's much less solar power available. And at the same time domestic/residential consumption goes up.

??

 

[markjay]

Presumably total generating capacity drops in winter as there's much less solar power available. And at the same time domestic/residential consumption goes up.

??

Possibly. There might however also be a trade off between solar and wind, and between heating (do they use electric heaters in the Netherlands?) and cooling (aircon). So no idea what the net gain/loss is in winter vs summer.

 

[markjay]

I had to Google it....

Netherlands Climate Resilience Policy Indicator – Analysis - IEA

Netherlands Climate Resilience Policy Indicator - Analysis and findings. An article by the International Energy Agency.

www.iea.org

Apparently, historically there has been a rise in demand for electricity in the Netherlands during the winter months, however this trend is changing:

"Changes in average temperature are projected to affect energy demand for heating and cooling, reducing the number of heating degree days (HDDs) and increasing cooling degree days (CDDs). Climate change-induced shifts in energy demand are therefore expected to reduce winter energy consumption but raise electricity use in the summer. Since Dutch energy policy strongly aims to raise the share of electrification in buildings (from the current levels of 21% in the residential sector and 38% in the service sector), the projected increase in summer electricity demand for cooling could put pressure on the electricity grid.

The Netherlands has already been affected by disruptions due to heatwaves when some electricity distribution network components have overheated and failed, creating power outages. For instance, the heatwave of 2015 caused eight power outages in Amsterdam, with each outage lasting approximately 1.5 hours and cutting power to 400-800 households. Similarly, in the summer of 2020 some regions (including Friesland and Amsterdam) experienced power cuts due to heatwaves, which prompted the network operator Liander to upgrade parts of the Frisian electricity grid to increase resilience to extreme weather events."

 

[BTB 500]

Possibly. There might however also be a trade off between solar and wind, and between heating (do they use electric heaters in the Netherlands?) and cooling (aircon). So no idea what the net gain/loss is in winter vs summer.

Average wind speeds are probably higher in winter, but I don't know what their power mix is. I would guess neither electric heating nor aircon are commonplace in the Netherlands, but more power will be used for lighting in winter.

I only have accurate consumption data for our house by quarter(*), but averaged over the last 3 full calendar years we use 20% more electricity in winter than summer. All our lighting is LED, heating & hot water is gas (plus a log burner ).

(*power usage is a little more complicated with solar panels - you have to work out power generated less power exported, then add on power imported)

 

[markjay]

...we use 20% more electricity in winter than summer. All our lighting is LED, heating & hot water is gas (plus a log burner )....

Intersting. What do you attribute this winter increase to? Can't be just lighting, if you have LEDs?

 

[Will]

Intersting. What do you attribute this winter increase to? Can't be just lighting, if you have LEDs?

It’s dark a lot longer in the winter, and I guess most people tend to spend longer indoors (TV/computer/oven instead of BBQ, Xmas tree )

 

[SmartAmg]

It’s dark a lot longer in the winter, and I guess most people tend to spend longer indoors (TV/computer/oven instead of BBQ, Xmas tree )

Shush Don't mention bloody Xmas trees. Damn! to late.

 

[markjay]

So, BTB 500's Christmas decorations are responsible for the 20% increase in power consumption?

 

[BTB 500]

Intersting. What do you attribute this winter increase to? Can't be just lighting, if you have LEDs?

If you have lights on for 20% longer the power usage goes up by 20%, whether they're LED or incandescent!

(technically not true of fluorescent lights, which use a tiny amount of extra power when starting up)

 

[SmartAmg]

So, BTB 500's Christmas decorations are responsible for the 20% increase in power consumption?

By the looks of them lights. 20% extra for the whole Country, not just his house.

 

[Gollom]

Drivers offered up to £3,750 discount to buy electric cars

The cost of some new electric cars will soon be reduced by up to £3,750 under grants being introduced by the government to encourage drivers to move away from petrol and diesel vehicles. The discounts will apply to eligible vehicles costing up to £37,000, with the most environmentally friendly vehicles seeing the biggest reductions, the Department for Transport (DfT) said.

Carmakers can apply for funding from Wednesday, with the RAC saying discounted cars should start appearing at dealerships "within weeks". But some drivers have previously told the BBC that ultimately, the UK needs more charging points to spur people to buy electric vehicles (EVs).

The government has pledged to ban the sale of new fully petrol or diesel cars and vans from 2030. Under the scheme, discounts will range between £1,500 and £3,750 and buyers will be able to claim a discount at the dealership. The grants to lower the cost of EVs will be funded through a £650m scheme, and will be available for three years.

 

[SmartAmg]

Good. Any scheme that gives us, Joe Public any money off anything, not just EVs is a good thing. And they seem to be aiming at the lower end of the EV market by making it cars up to 37 grand, which again is good.

 

[BTB 500]

the biggest savings will be given to cars with the strongest green manufacturing credentials

Will be interesting to see how that's worked out.

The greenest vehicles will be in band one and eligible for grants of up to £3,750, while band two vehicles will receive up to £1,500

If people can potentially get the larger saving on cheap cars that will make a difference.

MSN

 

[BTB 500]

Any scheme that gives us, Joe Public any money off anything, not just EVs is a good thing.

It is, but obviously this is money that the govt. won't then be spending on other things. So it depends a bit on how they fund it.

 

[SmartAmg]

It is, but obviously this is money that the govt. won't then be spending on other things. So it depends a bit on how they fund it.

Yep, but what can I or anyone do about that. So I will except any little things, like that, that come my, way. Just like I except it (don't like it) but except it, when the Government is Screwing me and millions of others on a regular basis. Far more than, them giving us owt.