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pioneercollector said:
And on topic, and without any training, have never run out of electrickery in the 10 years we switched to fully electric vans! And with the latter it does give you quite a lot of warnings before your actually grind to a stop!!
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Agree, mine starts mithering me, when it's down to 21%. Plus you can see in 2 places on the screen the % you have left.
So no need to ever run out. Although that's the same for ICE I suppose, who really have no excuses at all, seeing as it's much easier to fuel them up. As we are constantly told. 🙂👍
 
BTB 500 said:
And still not relevant to the Times article being discussed.
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Agreed, I've already commented on why the Times Journalist was writing clickbait for an audience that wants its prejudices confirmed.

But who cares? We're not looking for immediate conversion, and we need old people to pay these taxes (roughly an extra grand a year in fuel and road taxes)

it would be a disaster if the whole country clamoured to switch to EV's quickly.
 
BTB 500 said:
The advised/expected/planned 5-80% ultra rapid charge in 30 minutes for that vehicle is a fairly brief stop (although not compared to ICE, obviously). The issue was that he wasn't getting that speed, or anywhere near it. Stopping more frequently for more much slower than expected charges wouldn't really have helped.
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You are assuming that had he stopped at several chargers for quick top-ups, all chargers along his routes would have worked much slower than the max figure of 30 minutes for a 5% to 80% charge. I.e., that the issue wasn't limited to the specific chargers that he tried to use for charging from near-empty to near-full.

My own experience in Europe is that only once did the car reach the max speed of 220kW, in all other cases it charged at around 150kW to 170kW. I don't know if what made the different between the various charging stops was the type/brand of charger, or other factors such as ambient temperature and battery temperature, etc, or perhaps a combination of both.

At 220kW, the car would have charged from 10% to 80% in 18 minutes (but I wasn't at 10% so it took much less).
 
MikeInWimbledon said:
Agreed, I've already commented on why the Times Journalist was writing clickbait for an audience that wants its prejudices confirmed.

But who cares? We're not looking for immediate conversion, and we need old people to pay these taxes (roughly an extra grand a year in fuel and road taxes)

it would be a disaster if the whole country clamoured to switch to EV's quickly.
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True. It would also be a disaster for the Chancellor if we all stopped drinking and smoking.... :D
 
BTB 500 said:
From the 'range to empty' group tests I've seen it's almost universally the case that they carry on driving (albeit slowly in the end) for a significant distance after reaching zero?
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The early Nissan eNV200 vans start to give out warnings at around 20 miles remaining, at 10 miles the screen goes red and power output is reduced, no one has been that unlucky ( stupid ) here to actually push it any further, although the delivery chap decided to try and drive it from the repair shop to my works ( some 38 miles ) with a range left of 32 miles ..... it did just stop! and in the middle of a roundabout around 7 miles from here ....So quite accurate.

He even had the nerve to phone me and ask me if i could come and collect the van from where he was phoning from ( This is how i knew that he was in the middle of a busy roundabout ) Obviously i didn't and advised him to phone his office and arrange for a breakdown truck to deliver it to us ..... Moron
 
markjay said:
True. It would also be a disaster for the Chancellor if we all stopped drinking and smoking.... :D
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Exactly, which is why they don't ban, they just tax.

Like car usage and ownership.

Like how the Chancellor gives tax breaks on the purchase of new cars, glossing over the fact that despite her "largesse," she's still pulling in billions in import tariffs, car purchase duty, road tax, fuel tax, VAT on vehicles, parts and servicing, business rates, income taxes, and National insurance.. She needs to encourage conspicuous consumption.
 
Found this...

Banning drinking and smoking would likely cost the country money in the short term due to lost tax revenue and potential job losses in the alcohol and tobacco industries, but could lead to long-term cost savings from reduced healthcare expenses and increased productivity.
 
ALFAitalia said:
Found this...

Banning drinking and smoking would likely cost the country money in the short term due to lost tax revenue and potential job losses in the alcohol and tobacco industries, but could lead to long-term cost savings from reduced healthcare expenses and increased productivity.
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Yes, I read that people who drink heavily, or smoke heavily, or who are obese, cost the taxpayers less overall in medical bills because of their shorter average lifespan - the healthcare costs of those living into their eighties and nineties is monumental in comparison, apparently...
 
markjay said:
You are assuming that had he stopped at several chargers for quick top-ups, all chargers along his routes would have worked much slower than the max figure of 30 minutes for a 5% to 80% charge. I.e., that the issue wasn't limited to the specific chargers that he tried to use for charging from near-empty to near-full.

My own experience in Europe is that only once did the car reach the max speed of 220kW, in all other cases it charged at around 150kW to 170kW. I don't know if what made the different between the various charging stops was the type/brand of charger, or other factors such as ambient temperature and battery temperature, etc, or perhaps a combination of both.

At 220kW, the car would have charged from 10% to 80% in 18 minutes (but I wasn't at 10% so it took much less).
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From what I recall he was surveying beaches, so he was making regular stops but probably not at locations where he could have charged (at all, never mind at ultra rapid rates) while doing what he needed to do. So extra stops en-route purely to top up the battery more frequently wouldn't have been very convenient - I can see the attraction of doing fewer 5-80% charges which should only have taken 30 mins. TBH if they'd taken double that it would have been less of an issue, but 4+ hours was getting a bit silly.

Anecdotal but a little while back when looking at rapid/ultra rapid chargers in my area on Zapmap there seemed to be quite a few comments about slow charging rates left by users.
 
ALFAitalia said:
Found this...

Banning drinking and smoking would likely cost the country money in the short term due to lost tax revenue and potential job losses in the alcohol and tobacco industries, but could lead to long-term cost savings from reduced healthcare expenses and increased productivity.
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Exactly. By definition, politicians and medics need people to keep on eating, drinking and smoking.

The politician needs the money and needs to be popular at the next election.
The medic needs a regular flow of customers. Yachts don't pay for themselves.

The last thing medics want is for people to stop needing cancer, coronary, and respiratory condition treatment. It would be like dentists calling for a ban on sugar.
 
markjay said:
Yes, I read that people who drink heavily, or smoke heavily, or who are obese, cost the taxpayers less overall in medical bills because of their shorter average lifespan - the healthcare costs of those living into their eighties and nineties is monumental in comparison, apparently...
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And the social care. From home visits to care homes.

An average care home stay is £200k off the State. That's 2-3 very expensive years from Rachel
 
www.autocar.co.uk

We drive the longest-range EV in the UK | Autocar

Smallest car in the new-era line-up is a landmark EV for efficiency. Does it make Mercedes-Benz a technology leader again?
www.autocar.co.uk www.autocar.co.uk

Details of the latest Mercedes EV are being to emerge. Mercedes are stressing the drive for efficiency with the up to 5 miles per kWh.
They detail lots of design ideas which can give the new CLA a range of up to 483 miles for those who might want to drive all around England in a day.
Just a dozen years ago BMW gave us the i3. Mine has averaged 5.1 M/kWa since early February.
Whilst the battery pack in the new car is over twice the size of the i3 and it charges a whole lot faster (if you happen to be near one of the very quick chargers) I am struggling to see the massive advances we have made in the time.
Especially if I have to pay almost £50k :eek:

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Photo taken at 80% charged.
 
Mactech said:
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They detail lots of design ideas which can give the new CLA a range of up to 483 miles for those who might want to drive all around England in a day....
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A 2010 Nissan Leaf can do that.... :D

You meant to say 'on a single charge' ;)
 
Mactech said:
www.autocar.co.uk

We drive the longest-range EV in the UK | Autocar

Smallest car in the new-era line-up is a landmark EV for efficiency. Does it make Mercedes-Benz a technology leader again?
www.autocar.co.uk www.autocar.co.uk

Details of the latest Mercedes EV are being to emerge. Mercedes are stressing the drive for efficiency with the up to 5 miles per kWh.
They detail lots of design ideas which can give the new CLA a range of up to 483 miles for those who might want to drive all around England in a day.
Just a dozen years ago BMW gave us the i3. Mine has averaged 5.1 M/kWa since early February.
Whilst the battery pack in the new car is over twice the size of the i3 and it charges a whole lot faster (if you happen to be near one of the very quick chargers) I am struggling to see the massive advances we have made in the time.
Especially if I have to pay almost £50k :eek:

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Photo taken at 80% charged.
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Well the Merc probably weighs at least twice as much...and is a proper sized car rather than a sub A sized one. So to get similar efficiency is impressive. Think of it the other way.... imagine what your i3 could do with the latest EV and battery tech.
Still don't want one though... the CLA that is!.... even if it was petrol .....not exactly pretty is it?
 
Interesting video here ... yes it's about a (big) Lithium battery fire but there's a lot of useful insight into how these cells work and are manufactured:

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BTB 500 said:
£1.4 million for the kit to charge 'up to' 10 vehicles?! :eek:
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The Scania elected truck has a 624 kWh battery.... that's the equivalent of 10 standard EVs.
 
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