There is a god and I think he must be a petrol-head...

[markjay]

Why the yawn?
There never will be any strategy to reduce an ever increasing population, so the rest is utter BS.

How the hell can anyone think reducing the waste (in any form) per capita can be any benefit as populations grow can be an answer baffles me.
We (humans) may reduce individual waste, but the overall still grows due to increased population.
Meanwhile those that are born have a harder life because.

I don't swallow the prediction stuff, and tbh even 9 billion must be considered excessive, because in true political style come 2050 anyone making said prediction isn't here to answer for their failing. All life wants to propagate and be dominant. 'We' have achieved that and I don't see our attitude to doing more of that propagating has changed, where there's a willy there's a way.

It seems that this issue will resolve itself, according to this study anyway:

World ‘population bomb’ may never go off as feared, finds study

Population likely to peak sooner and lower than expected with beneficial results – but environment is priority

www.theguardian.com

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

(Cough) Isn't the High Street being superseded by internet shopping and home deliveries?

IAmazon has been doing quite well, and why Food store liveried vans are all over the place.

We can see annual mileage driven continues to drop after decades of increase.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

It seems that this issue will resolve itself, according to this study anyway:

World ‘population bomb’ may never go off as feared, finds study

Population likely to peak sooner and lower than expected with beneficial results – but environment is priority

www.theguardian.com

Dang, you beat me to it. But.... the challenge is that people are still running towards key cities, so distribution is still the issue.

Kids are still moving to London, and no-ones rushing to move to lovely Latvia (2 million people in an area half the size of England) or even soggy Scotland (a tenth of the population of England yet in two thirds of the area)

‘Without enough Latvians, we won’t be Latvia’: eastern Europe’s shrinking population

 

[Petrol Pete]

If anyone is serious about bringing down the population of the world the first job would be to make it illegal to send any sort of food/medical aid to all of the many countries who have suffered drought/famine , most of it man made through dictatorships and dodgy politics and some of it from natural disaster.

Not going to happen.

Some cultures are hard wired into producing as many offspring as humanly possible to ensure the survival of the species/race and they still do it today.

It was a 'thing' in what we now call the 'Western world' years ago and still is in many cases , I have a friend from Irish decsent who in her 40's enjoys having 10 brothers from the same mother ! Many of these large families grew up constantly hungry but it did not stop the procration continuing for one reason or another.

I sometimes wonder where we would be if not for the loss of all of those young men in the two world wars (and other conflicts) who never had a chance to have children.

Someone somewhere has probaly done that calculation.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

If anyone is serious about bringing down the population of the world the first job would be to make it illegal to send any sort of food/medical aid to all of the many countries who have suffered drought/famine , most of it man made through dictatorships and dodgy politics and some of it from natural disaster.

Which is where we should remember that, thanks to the Gates Foundation, Africa's population will increase to an unprecedented 2.4 billion by 2050 and eventually to a staggering 4.2 billion by 2100, trying to catch up with Asia's 4.8 billion

Here's the piece from Johns Hopkins explaining how Africa will cope with that growth:
https://saisreview.sais.jhu.edu/how...onomic-demographic-and-geopolitical-outcomes/

 

[ALFAitalia]

If anyone is serious about bringing down the population of the world the first job would be to make it illegal to send any sort of food/medical aid to all of the many countries who have suffered drought/famine , most of it man made through dictatorships and dodgy politics and some of it from natural disaster.

Not going to happen.

Some cultures are hard wired into producing as many offspring as humanly possible to ensure the survival of the species/race and they still do it today.

It was a 'thing' in what we now call the 'Western world' years ago and still is in many cases , I have a friend from Irish decsent who in her 40's enjoys having 10 brothers from the same mother ! Many of these large families grew up constantly hungry but it did not stop the procration continuing for one reason or another.

I sometimes wonder where we would be if not for the loss of all of those young men in the two world wars (and other conflicts) who never had a chance to have children.

Someone somewhere has probaly done that calculation.

WOW!!!.....you didn't have a relative in charge in Germany in the late 30s back did you!!

 

[190]

Which is where we should remember that, thanks to the Gates Foundation, Africa's population will increase to an unprecedented 2.4 billion by 2050 and eventually to a staggering 4.2 billion by 2100, trying to catch up with Asia's 4.8 billion

Here's the piece from Johns Hopkins explaining how Africa will cope with that growth:
https://saisreview.sais.jhu.edu/how...onomic-demographic-and-geopolitical-outcomes/

That John Hopkins piece does acknowledge the growth of the middle classes in Africa which is the mechanism that has driven lower fertility rates in the developed world. All you have to do is make the whole African population middle class and the problem will solve itself. My issue with the image of Africa is that we are brain washed into believing that it's all like the begging adverts on TV. While I am sure there is poverty those adverts are an exaggerated and outdated stereotype and not remotely representative of the whole population.

Some of modern Africa looks like this and the middle class people living in the cities won't be having 10 kids.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

It's our own prejudices that make us think that Africa is third world. That ended a generation ago.

That growth in Africa is the real game changer for the world. They may not be as capitalist as the Chinese, yet, but it's a huge population increase.

It's a modernising continent. Insanely corrupt, but modernising fast. We are daft to ignore it, which we do.

 

[m80]

It seems that this issue will resolve itself, according to this study anyway:

World ‘population bomb’ may never go off as feared, finds study

Population likely to peak sooner and lower than expected with beneficial results – but environment is priority

www.theguardian.com

Rather than wait to see if a population growth to a mere 8.8 billion becomes as true as that crystal balls predicts,
I prefer to wait to see if climate change Armageddon will arrive as predicted by another scientific crystal ball.

But as a thought, are we going to save the planet faster with technological innovation, such as the fallacy of EV's, than the waste will increase by due to population growth?
I'm sure there is a university somewhere that has answered that question for the customer that paid for the study.

As you said earlier it's all 6.5 of one and half a dozen of the other (cos we can all bake the figures).

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Thank god that she’s come up with this idea to replace that “transport is a two tonne box” thing.

From California to Calcutta kids are kicking out that old car thing.

If these, and WFH, can halve the number of cars on the road, we’ll be in a better place

 

[KillerHERTZ]

E-scooters ‘pose biggest new fire threat in London’ - The Times

 

[ALFAitalia]

....and as yet, privately owned ones are not legal to use in public places in the UK.....not that many of the owners seem to have the brain power to comprehend this!!!

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

E-scooters ‘pose biggest new fire threat in London’ - The Times

....and as yet, privately owned ones are not legal to use in public places in the UK.....not that many of the owners seem to have the brain power to comprehend this!!!

Who cares? 400 million have been sold in China alone. Who knows how many billion globally.

Think how many cars, motorbikes, and EV's that have been effectively replaced in the world by the existence of electric scooters (and electric bikes)

The UK number is essentially irrelevant, although Granddads are whistling in the wind if they think they'll stop them becoming commonplace.

It's a paradigm change.

(Remember those Jules Verne stories about "life in the future" where we were all going to live in luxury and catch balloons to cross the Atlantic in just a few weeks? Remember how his stories of the future had travellers popping into a hotel lobby to make an "international telephone call?" The future's not just a few more clicks on the past)

 

[Flyinspanner]

Do you think Khan will push back the ULEZ charge?
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[190]

....and as yet, privately owned ones are not legal to use in public places in the UK.....not that many of the owners seem to have the brain power to comprehend this!!!

Which makes what I did yesterday a worry. I was walking along a narrow pavement when one of these scooters came towards me. I did not budge an inch from my path. He was going to do the deviating whether he liked it or not.

 

[ToeKnee]

Not sure why you're all worrying about cars or the climate, artificial intelligence is coming!

 

[ALFAitalia]

Think how many cars, motorbikes, and EV's that have been effectively replaced in the world by the existence of electric scooters (and electric bikes)

Hardly any I would think.....those that have them and don't have cars probably don't have licenses either so would never have got a car...and the rest will have cars as well, as E scooters are useless for more than a mile or so and who wants to use one in the rain.

Not sure why you're all worrying about cars or the climate, artificial intelligence is coming!

Judging by some of the low IQ posts in this very thread, it's already here..and not working at all well!

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Hardly any I would think.....those that have them and don't have cars probably don't have licenses either so would never have got a car...and the rest will have cars as well, as E scooters are useless for more than a mile or so and who wants to use one in the rain.

We'll politely disagree. People are buying these instead of motorcycles and cars. It's easy to dismiss 1,800,000 Chinese as all living in rice paddies and peeing in fields.

Combined with public transport, these make a huge difference. Even for a motorcycle or car owner, just having one of these can dramatically decrease short journeys with all their congestion and CO2.

And you're completely out of date about range. China hasn't bought 400 million of these to travel distances of less than a mile.

 

[markjay]

Do you think Khan will push back the ULEZ charge?
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I don't think these two issues are related.... all cars sold in the UK after 2014 are ULEZ compliant anyway, so whatever restrictions may or may not apply in 2030 on sale of new cars are totally irrelevant to the current ULEZ expansion dispute.

 

[Flyinspanner]

I was being tongue in cheek …. (It’s all set to change to pay per mile for all vehicles anyway…. )