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What can I do about a car dealer who's got my car.

Its no problem..

Choice used to sell much cheaper cars from a larger site. Mostly fords, peugeots, vauxhalls etc...
Recently they moved to a smaller site and then moved to selling more prestigious vehicles.

What I dont understand is they have quite a lot of experience and I cant believe they have lasted long if this is their customer service strategy.

from what I have gathered the problems were a faulty sensor or two and probably a dodgy radio receiver for the key.

Im not sure of the specifics, but how this can take 4 months and £1800 to sort is well beyond me. We have replaced complete engines for half that price.

I hope that it will be sorted and that my friendly word with him may inspire him to think about how he deals with future clients' issues.

Its a topic close to my heart as cars will and do go wrong...No one can change this and I personally have to go to very long lenghts to keep clients happy.

Just two weeks ago I spent £600 just in transporting a car back to me from Cornwall as a local auto gearbox specialist had told the owner the gearbox was gone and a new one was £2400.
I got the car back to find the oil had gotten slightly low and with half a litre the car drove perfectly again.. frustrating to say the least.

That is just one example.. every week there are new chalenges and sometimes it is a struggle to keep going, especially in these times when buyers are only buying the cheapest cars.

What it boils down to is how you approach issues.
Early on, we realised that we HAD to know about any potential issues BEFORE selling a car. Now every single car gets a full and thorough check before sale. Our technicians spend almost a full day on just one car.
It saves a lot of hassle in the long run and I can sleep easier at night.

Also this process helps us as customers/other garages will often try it on - e.g.
I sold a car last week. The new owners were very very happy with the deal... I went to lenghts to get the finance sorted and the car ready the same day.
Got a call today from the buyer saying that he took the car to Mercedes for a "free winter check" (aka our workshops are empty and we need work)
He got a list of items that needed replacement immediately.
Mainly the brake pads and anti roll bar bushes.
He was understandably worried and expected me to foot the £800 quote.
My inspection sheet shows that the pads had more than 50% at time of sale and we did not find defect with any part of the suspension.

However, even though these wear and tear parts may not be covered under warranty, I have offered to replace the parts free of charge if they are indeed worn.
Needless to say he was very happy with that offer and I know that at worst it will cost me an hours labour for us to show him that his brakes and suspension are indeed fine.

No dealer will want to refund or reverse a deal... most of them work week by week and a single deal can be there bread and butter for the week.
In my experience, if issues are sorted out quickly and efficiently, or at least you show real effort, it takes a very unreasonable customer not to appreciate that and to not work with you.

The moral of all this is that if any garage wants to sell quality cars they simply cant afford to fob the customers off.. Choice are not selling cheap fiestas now...

Unfortunately there are hundreds of so called prestige car dealers out there that have flashy showrooms designed to attract innocent and naieve buyers... all that glitters is not gold..

Always ask the dealer about the processes they go through to prepare a car.

I hope choice do come good for you Paul.
 
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Jay - you're a car dealer in a million - I wish everyone selling cars was as transparent, open and honest as you.

Unfortunately there are always people in this world who will try and pass a car on for sale without really knowing what they're talking about, answering any direct questions with bluster to try and hide their ignorance.
 
What shocking service.
Well done for closely documenting everything, plus using initiative with your blog. Do bring to their attention the exposure that their company is getting through this website too!
Good luck with getting it sorted & hope the fiasco will not deter from your new car enjoyment when you do get it.


Jay, wish you were nearer to me!
 
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Just imagine if Jay became an official Mercedes dealer. (I think a fairly local dealer, Aspi Mobed did that).
Imagine how much the dealer satisfaction locally would improve.

Especially with my experiences of Mercedes Stratford, and Coventry.
 
Just imagine if Jay became an official Mercedes dealer. (I think a fairly local dealer, Aspi Mobed did that).
Imagine how much the dealer satisfaction locally would improve.

Especially with my experiences of Mercedes Stratford, and Coventry.

I dont think I would ever be able to run my own business as part of a dealer network. I would rather set up 20 sperate Merclands than be told what to do by some MD in Germany. Thats why i left JPMorgan!
 
Still nothing from Choice Vehicles. He told me he was sending a driver over to Howard's in Birmingham to pick up the car this afternoon. I have heard nothing from him.

You can guess who's effigy I shall be burning on my bonfire tomorrow!
 
Paul I know these guys and live about very close to them!

Do you want me to have a word with them... we could go together. It may make a difference as im in the business.

EDIT: Parking sensors fault is just a faulty sensor, MB keep these in stock.. They should have brought the car to me for repair.. they do know of me!
Key story is rubbish.
EDIT2: Im going home to paint my garage now, but if you want i could pop in and have a friendly word? Im on my mobile, number on my website...

Paul take Jay up on his offer and try and get the situation resolved but be polite but firm in telling them they have this one chance to solve the problem, if they fail to do this then contact a solicitor and pursue this under the Sale of Goods Act. A good solicitor will draft the letter and let them know that you will be pursuing them for full costs.

My biggest fear would now be that even if the car is delivered what kind of service if any will you get if god forbid another unrelated problem occurs.

Good luck
 
Still nothing from Choice Vehicles. He told me he was sending a driver over to Howard's in Birmingham to pick up the car this afternoon. I have heard nothing from him.

You can guess who's effigy I shall be burning on my bonfire tomorrow!

I really dont understand why you make your life so difficult for yourself there are plenty of S class MBs for sale fully prepped waiting to go. Just write to him saying today was the last chance; deal is cancelled, money back. Finished move on and spend your time on something more productive. It seems like it is taking over your life. Be careful it does not make you ill.
 
I really dont understand why you make your life so difficult for yourself there are plenty of S class MBs for sale fully prepped waiting to go. Just write to him saying today was the last chance; deal is cancelled, money back. Finished move on and spend your time on something more productive. It seems like it is taking over your life. Be careful it does not make you ill.

he wont give money back without a fight... he is determined not to reverse the deal.
 
he wont give money back without a fight... he is determined not to reverse the deal.

Sorry to be picky but it is not a "reversal" as the deal (ie deliver the car) was never completed - it is a cancellation due to seller's default which is different.
Which has made me think about who has title to the car. Maybe Choice cars is struggling a bit in the current economic climate and maybe they do not have the cash to pay for the repairs to the car - which is why it is being held. Is Paul sure he has title to the car - it has not been "delivered and accepted" so I am not sure on this legal point. If legally he does not have title and Choice Cars goes bankrupt then the liquidators will seize all the assets - they will attempt to seize the car from the repairer - who will presumably refuse as he will be a creditor to Choice Cars and the whole thing could take a turn for the worse with a legal battle over who owns it. that could be years not months.
 
The car belongs to Paul, as far as im aware all the paperwork was done and the title has been handed over.. technically this is a warranty repair.
 
Thats good then - by the way what ever happened to the S class that you got done over on? did you get anywhere?
 
The car belongs to Paul, as far as im aware all the paperwork was done and the title has been handed over.. technically this is a warranty repair.

That is true. The V5 is already in my name. How can it be a warranty repair? Do dealers have a generic warranty to cover themselves for buying in cars with faults?

Today was very interesting. Kevin (The owner) said when I phoned him this morning that David (the salesman) is going to Birmingham to fetch the car and I would get a call back when the car was actually on it's way to the dealer. No explanation why it wasn't done yesterday as promised.

I got a call about midday saying David was in the car now bringing it back. I heard nothing else so at 4pm I phone back. I spoke to David who sounded puzzled. He seemed to think the car wasn't back yet. When I said that Kevin told me YOU were driving it back, he changed and said "oh yes it's here it's here". After all this trouble you wouldn't forget that you drove it back would you?

Anyway the icing on the cake is that the door lock is STILL faulty! He was desperate that I see the £2100 bill that Kevin paid. He explained how it's had the SAM changed and a brake servo replaced and some wiring for the lock has been replaced too.

Some time between him driving it back from Howard Williams and him discovering the still faulty lock, and me phoning him, it's magically been diagnosed as the ignition barrel that is needing replacing. I know it's not a barrel as such in this car, but you know what I mean.

Kevin is going to go to Mercedes Tamworth in the morning to order a part.

Talk about deja vu!!!!!!!!!
 
That is true. The V5 is already in my name. How can it be a warranty repair? Do dealers have a generic warranty to cover themselves for buying in cars with faults?

It's technically a warranty repair because of the way they have handled it. The way I read it:

  • You saw the car for sale but found a number of things wrong with it.

  • They offered to have the faults fixed (possibly discovered that it was going to be expensive) so sold / handed over the car with 'pre-existing faults' with the intention to put a warranty claim in after a few weeks of your ownership.

  • They couldn't claim on the warranty straight away as the warranty company would no doubt get suspicious.

  • In attempting to repair the car they have discovered that point 2 was indeed correct and are having problems with the warranty company not wishing to pay up. Most warranties have claim limits for individual items / total claim value - this may have caused a problem.

I'm not suggesting that they have done anything fraudulent - based on what you've said and my interepretation it seems like they haven't been straight with you. I sincerely hope you get your car back in working order tomorrow...
 
That is true. The V5 is already in my name. How can it be a warranty repair? Do dealers have a generic warranty to cover themselves for buying in cars with faults?

Today was very interesting. Kevin (The owner) said when I phoned him this morning that David (the salesman) is going to Birmingham to fetch the car and I would get a call back when the car was actually on it's way to the dealer. No explanation why it wasn't done yesterday as promised.

I got a call about midday saying David was in the car now bringing it back. I heard nothing else so at 4pm I phone back. I spoke to David who sounded puzzled. He seemed to think the car wasn't back yet. When I said that Kevin told me YOU were driving it back, he changed and said "oh yes it's here it's here". After all this trouble you wouldn't forget that you drove it back would you?

Anyway the icing on the cake is that the door lock is STILL faulty! He was desperate that I see the £2100 bill that Kevin paid. He explained how it's had the SAM changed and a brake servo replaced and some wiring for the lock has been replaced too.

Some time between him driving it back from Howard Williams and him discovering the still faulty lock, and me phoning him, it's magically been diagnosed as the ignition barrel that is needing replacing. I know it's not a barrel as such in this car, but you know what I mean.

Kevin is going to go to Mercedes Tamworth in the morning to order a part.

Talk about deja vu!!!!!!!!!
V5 in your name is not the same as ownership. Despite the fact that the dealer has sent the V5 off to have it transferred to you it is not the same as you taking delivery ie accepting the car. If you have never actually accepted the car and driven away in it then I am not sure that title has transferred legally - in any event it is academic as my further concern about your predicament was unfounded as they have paid the repair bill. I remain astonished at the sheer front that this company has - in some way it is going to imprerss you that the repair has cost £2100 - what about your 12 grand that has been in their bank account and you have been paying interest on for a [heavily] depreciating asset that you do not even have the benefit of. Quite utterly astonishing - only surpassed by your patience you desrerve some sort of medal.
 
I remain astonished at the sheer front that this company has - in some way it is going to imprerss you that the repair has cost £2100

I know. What does the cost have to do with me. If anything it shows how bad a car they were selling in the first place if it needed over 2K of repairs.

Even after that bill the car is only in the state it should have been on day one.

Another thing that annoyed me was how both Kevin the owner and David the salesmen kept saying yesterday how well it drove and it was a lovely ride. Talk about rubbing salt into the wound! I am having to borrow my father's V40 to get to work, while they are living it up in my £12,000 car.
 
It does sound like they are fiddling the warranty system, perhaps you should suggest this to them and mention that Tradings standards may be interested in how you have been treated?
 

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