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what does it mean to own a mercedes today vs owning a mercedes in the past

Just off the top of my head ---Valeo radiators,Road springs,Ball joints, Spring Perches, Gearbox ECUs, crank vibration dampers, crank position sensors, S class air suspension failure, ML interior trim, the A CLASS------!,;) diesel glow plugs and injectors, turbo seals,dash lcd display failure ,burnt valves, variable valve timing leaks, battery drain down, SBC brakes, Multiple electronic component / SAM unit failures. etc. etc.
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Rust and ******** dealers.

Beyond that, a faded reputation for quality and a recent penchant for beancounting.

But it *is* Monday.
 
MB have seemingly decided that the first buyer, who will typically keep the car 2 or 3 or 4 years, is their only customer today & not subsequent owners. The cars are designed & built to try to make it through the warranty period.

With the recent recalls it is debatable if MB care about the first customer either. The way some customers have been treated is appalling.

I'll just plod along with my 124's thank you. Sure its nice to have a canter out in the newer ones. At the end of the day, for me, give me an oldie every time.
 
It's completely different.

Mercedes-benz cars of 20 or 30 years ago & older were much more expensive than just about anything else & much rarer than they are today. They were special cars.

My loaded 1986 2.3-16 cost over £37,000 in 1986, the same as a house in many areas.

The money went into over engineering & over building the cars so the original owner could keep their car for 8, 10, 12, 20 years or indeed forever if they wanted to. In the long run this made the cars much less expensive than anything else as you didn't need to buy a new one every three or four years and thus avoided the never ending depreciation spiral.

MB have seemingly decided that the first buyer, who will typically keep the car 2 or 3 or 4 years, is their only customer today & not subsequent owners. The cars are designed & built to try to make it through the warranty period.

My Dad had a pretty basic Ponton in the early '60's in California & it used to be the case Mercedes drivers would acknowledge each other with a headlight flash when they met on the road. I remember passengers unaware of the tradition smiling because of the salute. No other marque did that. In the mid '70's a mate's mum had a Signal Red 350 SL which would draw a small crowd of schoolboy petrol heads whenever it was parked at school.

Now, I'm afraid Mercedes has lost that caché.

YouTube - Faszination Mercedes Benz

P.S. Is that a young Michael Schumacher at 1.12?


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So true...

Mercedes is doing what every manufacturer does to "survive".
Build a mass produced "entry level" model to increase units sold...

Not sure if it is an American concept to grow a business even at the risk of lessening quality.


Ford did it with Jaguar when they introduced the "X-Type", also with Volvo.

There are very few new Mercs that I would look at, let alone consider buying.
They've become a bit boring and generic...
I guess they are trying to build the car for the "Volks"...but didn't someone beat them to it ? :doh:


For me the true luxury Merc era ended with the 126 and 124....tried to hang on with the 202 and 140, but the "Merc cache" began to wain in the late 90's...;)
 
Mercedes is doing what every manufacturer does to "survive".
Build a mass produced "entry level" model to increase units sold...

Well, that's only half the story. The other key element at play is meeting range-wide emissions targets. The German triumvirate all realised during the 1990s that they were going to need to start planning to bring down their average emissions output to meet increasingly strict targets, and to do so they needed smaller, more efficient cars. This is why the A Class and the Audi A2 emerged around the same time, and why BMW were so keen to hang on to the Mini when they set MG Rover free. It's also why MB kept the faith with Smart after Swatch abandoned the project.

Not sure if it is an American concept to grow a business even at the risk of lessening quality.

Any reduction in quality is essentially a management control issue. If growth is managed properly, it can be achieved without undermining the company's reputation. While MB were being villified for the A Class, Audi were winning high praise for the quality of the A2.
 
A2s are amazing - the TDI will do 60mpg all day long and looks & feels innovative even today. Much like the Lupo (TDi = 80mpg...), an underrated car.

The A-Class.. eh, not so much.
 
We have a strange,and my opinion, backward view on cars in the UK. here people pay the extra for badge delete on base models to hide that they have bought the "cheap" model. In Germany for instance,people who buy the top models have the badge left off to stop the neighbours thinking they are being ostentatious... have you noticed older Italian executive cars are very sober and usually in drab colours? This was to prevent becoming a target for the mafia, people tried to hide the fact they had a nice car!

In the UK a white Range Rover Sport with 55 inch wheels seems to be the way to go if you've "made it"....:crazy:

Mercedes to me did mean: Engineering.Quality.Understatement.

Mercedes to me now means: Badge snobbery.Company car driver.Mass produced.

Now they've hooked up with Renault,I fear for the future. Disposeable cars with massive showroom appeal and no substance..the exact opposite from what Mercedes once stood for.Bloody white goods.

This is turning rapidly into a rant... GRRRRRRRRRRRRR
 
nice to read your thoughts..

Here is a further question.

If based on my presumption, that today Mercedes has lost the sparkle off the star that it once had, and one had to choose a Mercedes model or any other marque which today has the grace of an older generation mercedes in terms of quality, simplicity or timeless elegance, what would you choose?

My thoughts would be a g wagon from mercedes, the Maserati granturismo and possibly the last generation (or current, but not new) Jaguar XJ saloon...

even the current SL is a disappointment. Mine now has so many problems, rattles, creaks, and the panels feel flimsy.. The SL was once the creme de la creme of the range, and today its nothing more than moving plastic piece of garbage. I mean some of my match box collection has more metal work than todays cars.

Not that all cars should be made of metal, but for example, the current 3 series BMW coupe has the majority of its panels in plastic.. im sorry, but this really is a no no.. for no other reason, the added weight of the car added to the feel of solidity, and not everyone needs a car with the fastest acceleration, but a smooth robust power delivery that does not feel so hollow.. which i find the case today.

The way a bentley or rolls royce delivers the power is excellent. smooth and refined. We do not need a 7 speed gearbox, that is left in confusion and sometimes, the transition from one gear to another doesnt have to be un-noticeable. I personally would like to know what is going on under the skin..

cars today are becoming very generic.. and soon, all cars will just end up looking like identical bubbles, with the only variance being the badge oo the bonnet.. i mean bubble edge...

where has class and desire gone? why does everything have to be governed by control and restriction.. I mean the new e class driver assist is the most annoying and interfering device i have ever come across.

the 1980's mercs has a tiny red flashing light that reminded you about the seat belt.. this was great, a reminder, which i always put on when i saw it.. however, now as i reverse out of the garage, i might forget the seat belt for a moment, but the bloody beeping just ruins your morning..

The amount of times i have shouted down to my newer cars is incredible...

ok .. enough said, my fingers are burning! lol
 
If based on my presumption, that today Mercedes has lost the sparkle off the star that it once had, and one had to choose a Mercedes model or any other marque which today has the grace of an older generation mercedes in terms of quality, simplicity or timeless elegance, what would you choose?

I doubt you could do the EU or worldwide safety measures and eco-********.

If money was no object for me, I'd have a Bentley Continental GT. It might be a VW in essence but ticks all the boxes I want.
 
I doubt you could do the EU or worldwide safety measures and eco-********.

If money was no object for me, I'd have a Bentley Continental GT. It might be a VW in essence but ticks all the boxes I want.

How do you feel about the new bentley?

i mean, money no object, this car initially i found a little ugly, but now, it looks stunning me thinks

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I think that is a bit too 'Puff Daddy' for my liking. All RIMZ and a front end that looks like Thomas the Tank Engine.

I prefer the squarer look for the Bentley saloon. Stately yet making a positive statement.

The CGT embodies the sleek, powerful side of the marque.
 
I wouldn't buy a new car.Period.

I drive loads of the things every day and never have I thought "sod this, I'm fed up of driving old cars. I'm gonna buy a ...."

Its all about the enviroment,passenger and pedestrian safety,economy,and recycleability nowadays.

So tell me why cars are heavier,use a lot of rare materials,take up more precious space,are far faster and only last a few years...?

Was there not a country who took away all the road markings and traffic lights, and the accident rate went down? The car has gone far too far, and needs to do the same. Why drive carefully when you'll be enclosed in an automotive bouncy castle if you have a bump,or the car will brake for you..why drive carefully,trying to save fuel and cause less pollution if you have blue efficiency.. The amount of people I've met who've bumped their cars because the park sensors couldn't park their car for them. LOOK BEHIND YOU when going backwards FFS.... well if you could see out of that stupid tinted letterbox that is a modern cars rear window..

There was, at one time a pleasure to be had in driving and controlling a motor vehicle.Making multiple decisions every second,and merging these together to become a good driver. I am intelligent and able enough to decide when it is dark enough to switch on my lights, or know my visibility is impared enough to operate my windscreen wipers. I do not need or require my vehicle to apply the parking brake for me. I do not appriciate a insistent reminder to fasten my seatbelt when manouvering out of my driveway.I take notes of when my car was serviced, and am capable enough of adding 5000 miles to the mileage when last serviced.I regularly check my tyre pressures,and am happy to give up 1 cubic foot of luggage space to enable me to continue my journey as normal if I get a flat.I know how to operate a jack and wheelbrace.If a bulb blows,I would like to be able to replace it and not have to make my way to my nearest dealer.

Soon we'll just get in the back and let the car get on with it.. but isn't that just like a bus? Hmmm
 
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I know I keep banging on about the CLS, but I think it's maybe the only modern Mercedes that still has that style and finesse of the older cars. It feels special and looks classically "Mercedes".

Of the non-Mercedes cars, I guess the Bentley Arnage would be my choice. I enjoyed one for a week a while ago and it just felt sublime.
 
I wouldn't buy a new car.Period.

I drive loads of the things every day and never have I thought "sod this, I'm fed up of driving old cars. I'm gonna buy a ...."

Its all about the enviroment,passenger and pedestrian safety,economy,and recycleability nowadays.

So tell me why cars are heavier,use a lot of rare materials,take up more precious space,are far faster and only last a few years...?

Was there not a country who took away all the road markings and traffic lights, and the accident rate went down? The car has gone far too far, and needs to do the same. Why drive carefully when you'll be enclosed in an automotive bouncy castle if you have a bump,or the car will brake for you..why drive carefully,trying to save fuel and cause less pollution if you have blue efficiency.. The amount of people I've met who've bumped their cars because the park sensors couldn't park their car for them. LOOK BEHIND YOU when going backwards FFS.... well if you could see out of that stupid tinted letterbox that is a modern cars rear window..

There was, at one time a pleasure to be had in driving and controlling a motor vehicle.Making multiple decisions every second,and merging these together to become a good driver. I am intelligent and able enough to decide when it is dark enough to switch on my lights, or know my visibility is impared enough to operate my windscreen wipers. I do not need or require my vehicle to apply the parking brake for me. I do not appriciate a insistent reminder to fasten my seatbelt when manouvering out of my driveway.I take notes of when my car was serviced, and am capable enough of adding 5000 miles to the mileage when last serviced.I regularly check my tyre pressures,and am happy to give up 1 cubic foot of luggage space to enable me to continue my journey as normal if I get a flat.I know how to operate a jack and wheelbrace.If a bulb blows,I would like to be able to replace it and not have to make my way to my nearest dealer.

Soon we'll just get in the back and let the car get on with it.. but isn't that just like a bus? Hmmm

billiant.. so well put!

my father has a saying.. when i once tried to convince him to get a car which was a little too big for him.. he said he cant seen the corners.. i said the parking sensors will tell u where they are... his response was... good for them.. but im the driver!

i never understood it back then, but it makes alot of sense today!

you need to know the proportions of your car.. front, back, left and right..

the new s class has too many bulges, whilst the 126 was slim and stylish.

The w140 became monstrous (though i still like it) and the panda bear eyed 1999-2006 model was an attempt to slim line the car,but the wuality failed, and thus, still todate, the 126 i feel is unsurpassed.

I would consider a 126 se or sel, and get the interior over hauled with the current range of creature comforts and aesthetics.. such as ambient lighting etc...
 
Not an awful lot wrong with the W220 tbh.

All cars break down now and again - even the older 'over-engineered' ones ..............
 
In my opinion everyone should be made to drive a Lancia Fulvia at least once in their lives.

small car, tiny pillars,small engine which needs to be revved, a whole 5 gears and wonderful handling. To me this is the way driving should be,where you become part of the car and work together,balancing grip,braking,acceleration using all your senses and FEEL.

Ayrton Senna (IIRC)was reported as saying,when asked the question "What makes a good driver" His reply? "A sensitive ass". what relevance does this have now with your leather clad,heated,air conditioned,vibrating 16 way adjustable armchair...? Oh. You have stability control.. and ABS.

By the way I'm 35.. And a grumpy old man who has to defend "the good old days" on a daily basis...
 
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I know I keep banging on about the CLS, but I think it's maybe the only modern Mercedes that still has that style and finesse of the older cars. It feels special and looks classically "Mercedes".

Of the non-Mercedes cars, I guess the Bentley Arnage would be my choice. I enjoyed one for a week a while ago and it just felt sublime.

i agree on the cls front.. forgot about that one lol..

perhaps just the niche that it is, and the non shared dash and unusual lines is the icing on the cake...

bentley, ofcourse.. after seeing your run around that time, i felt i have to work harder to get one.. one day.. just hope fuel prices allow me to run it in the future lol
 
small car, tiny pillars,small engine which needs to be revved, a whole 5 gears and wonderful handling. To me this is the way driving should be,where you become part of the car and work together,balancing grip,braking,acceleration using all your senses and FEEL.

Couldn't help spotting the X1/9 in your avatar and thinking how equally well your assesment of the Fulvia could be applied to that – with the added bonuses of rear-wheel drive and mid-engined cornering ability. One day I will get mine back on the road. One day...
 

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