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Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

Tonye said:
Not really unless the site invest heavily
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A trickle charger will work just fine. As long as they don’t charge their EV whilst they have electric heating, kettle, TV and hair dryer on then it will be fine. Unplug the EV at breakfast and dinner time and let it trickle for he other 22 hours each day.
 
There are some, here, who would have us believe charging points on lamposts are part of a solution. Some prominence was made of Siemens converting lamposts on Sutherland Street, Maida Vale at negligible cost and less than an hour per post to covert.

Great stuff! Look closer and discover that there are a total of 24 lamposts over half a mile! Look around - any street has far fewer lamposts along its length than you may expect, particularly following conversion to LED.

In Edinburgh, and no doubt elsewhere, many residential areas - Stockbridge, Learmonth, and Comely Bank - the lamposts are situated along the back of the pavement, i.e. not along the kerb. That stymies lampost charging!

Whilst vast numbers of English and Welsh live in sprawling areas of Victorian/Edwardian terraced housing, Scottish urban housing of that period is predominately tenement. Not to be confused with the low standards of a typical two up, two down, the areas mentioned above are much sought after, yet still comprise four to six flats per stair up to four storeys.

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By my reckoning, this typical posh Edinburgh street would have eight lampost chargers serving at least 96 homes - after shifting them to the pavement's edge.

Multiply this up and down the country...

Next great idea, please...
 
Wolfie1 said:
There was a post on the caravan and motorhome club where a guy towed his caravan with a polestar, yea it towed it but he had to make 3 long stops to get where he was going and when he did stop to recharge as he put it luckily the car park wasnt busy as he had somewhere to unhitch and park his caravan so as he could park at a charger and charge his car!
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He had at least a predictable and presumably comfortable place to retreat to during his three recharging sessions. Alas, not everyone will be towing a canteen/living room wherever they go and I suspect that this is one aspect of charging on the move that really puts people off.
There's no great fondness for M-way service stations, some of the power chargers I've seen on the various YT vids are in little better than industrial parks with a longish walk to any indoor area if there's that at all. Which kinda leaves just sitting in the car for an hour or so and maybe fine if you 'have e-mails to do' but to many it will be as frustrating as being stuck in a traffic jam.
There isn't any easy way around this (that's obvious to me at least) and it will worsen if queuing is required (likely unless the number of chargers is increased at each site) and the resentment there when only a ten minute top-up is needed to finish a journey is inevitable. What could alleviate some of this is an on-board range extender. The objection that it uses fossil fuel and defeats the object of the exercise can be countered with 'clean in the city' and, until all electricity is generated from renewables - is slightly disingenuous.
 
Bobby Dazzler said:
A trickle charger will work just fine
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Towed a van to Spain years ago, was lucky if you got 5Amp, had to use the gas hob for a brew, only the first one in the morning, after that it was beer only to save the gas.
 
del320 said:
There are some, here, who would have us believe charging points on lamposts are part of a solution. Some prominence was made of Siemens converting lamposts on Sutherland Street, Maida Vale at negligible cost and less than an hour per post to covert.

Great stuff! Look closer and discover that there are a total of 24 lamposts over half a mile! Look around - any street has far fewer lamposts along its length than you may expect, particularly following conversion to LED.

In Edinburgh, and no doubt elsewhere, many residential areas - Stockbridge, Learmonth, and Comely Bank - the lamposts are situated along the back of the pavement, i.e. not along the kerb. That stymies lampost charging!

Whilst vast numbers of English and Welsh live in sprawling areas of Victorian/Edwardian terraced housing, Scottish urban housing of that period is predominately tenement. Not to be confused with the low standards of a typical two up, two down, the areas mentioned above are much sought after, yet still comprise four to six flats per stair up to four storeys.

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By my reckoning, this typical posh Edinburgh street would have eight lampost chargers serving at least 96 homes - after shifting them to the pavement's edge.

Multiply this up and down the country...

Next great idea, please...
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Not quite... Ubitricitry chargers are installed in both lamppost and bollards.

The lamppost system is cheaper to install and does not require any changes at the pavement level.

Where there aren't sufficient lampposts, Ubitricitry chargers are installed in bollards fitted next to parking bays, but this is more expensive to set-up for obvious reasons.

I don't see any practical issues in fitting slow chargers (5.5kW) next to public parking bays as such, be it in existing lampposts or in new bollards. The key issue seems to be commercial viability, if the current situation is that Ubitricitry won't install new charging points without financial aid from the local Council, and Councils don't have the budgets for it.

As I said, you'd hope that private companies will be tripping over themselves to get permission to install public chargers. Perhpas not quite a repeat of the £25bn sale of 3g licenses from 2000, but at the very least private companies being able to get permission to install and run the chargers without requiring public subsidies. But at current it seems that the figures just don't stack up for Ubitricitry, not at 24p per kW anyway.

(BTW Ubitricitry now owned by Shell)
 
Bellow said:
Fully autonomous capability combined with wireless charging will solve the on-street charging problem
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SPOT ON THAT MAN, didn't take NTL very long to lay all that cable, and they left our paving in better nick than it was.
 
A V8 whilst I still can. Then whatever legislation allows I guess...
 
Apparently there are around 40m cars in the UK, and half a million caravans. So just over 1% of motorists tow a caravan. Can we not find a solution for this small group? Perhaps they should be exempt from ICE punitive measures until EV tech catches-up. And I don't see a risk of this becoming a loophole, I.e. how many people will actually buy a caravan for no other reason than to pay less VED on their ICE cars or to be exempt from congestion charging etc? Unlikely.
 
markjay said:
Not quite... Ubitricitry chargers are installed in both lamppost and bollards.

Where there aren't sufficient lampposts, Ubitricitry chargers are installed in bollards fitted next to parking bays, but this is more expensive to set-up for obvious reasons.
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Bollards - they'll look nice...
 
Any news on Hydrogen, i think we've knocked the crap out of electric 😇
 
Tonye said:
You first
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Already done. There are 6 drivers and one learner in our family who share 3 cars over 3 households. The majority of our neighbours have two cars per household.
 
Tonye said:
Any news on Hydrogen, i think we've knocked the crap out of electric 😇
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Everyone is very quiet about Hydrogen, for some reason... TfL for example have 500 electric busses and just under 20 Hydrogen busses.
 
Tonye said:
Why bother
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I am not advocating a ban on driving.

We simply need to have less cars, and drive them less. That's all.
 
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