Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

[markjay]

Dire warning Chinese electric cars 'could paralyse UK roads' in an in an instant

Hundreds of thousands of electric cars could be immobilised remotely from China, an industry expert has said.

www.express.co.uk

True, although if this happens, gridlocked roads will be the least of our problems.

Almost every household in Britain has some form of Chinese-made connected electronics (aka IOT).

Luckily, we have removed (most of) the Chinese stuff from government offices and critical infrastructure, but not from people's homes.

Good luck to us, if this ever becomes a reality.

It's time to get a cabin in the woods near a stream, then furnish it with a fishing rod, a shotgun, and a hunting rifle.... and an axe to chop some wood and keep warm in winter. Just Stop Oil will be delighted.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

It's time to get a cabin in the woods near a stream, then furnish it with a fishing rod, a shotgun, and a hunting rifle.... and an axe to chop some wood and keep warm in winter. Just Stop Oil will be delighted.

Whilst it’s in a very different league to billionaire peppers who have homes in New Zealand to flee to in the event of Armageddon or the apocalypse, I was ready for COVID-19 with a plan not dissimilar to what you describe above. What I foolishly hadn’t anticipated was the restriction on travel, which of course could be ignored if the threat was significant enough but if threat developed over a period of weeks (like it did with COVID) then it might catch us out. I now need to find a less remote cabin so I have a contingency plan for the contingency plan…

 

[markjay]

Whilst it’s in a very different league to billionaire peppers who have homes in New Zealand to flee to in the event of Armageddon or the apocalypse, I was ready for COVID-19 with a plan not dissimilar to what you describe above. What I foolishly hadn’t anticipated was the restriction on travel, which of course could be ignored if the threat was significant enough but if threat developed over a period of weeks (like it did with COVID) then it might catch us out. I now need to find a less remote cabin so I have a contingency plan for the contingency plan…

Travel restrictions...? Naaah, there's always a way out:

Escape from New York (1981) ⭐ 7.1 | Action, Adventure, Sci-Fi

1h 39m | AA

www.imdb.com

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Travel restrictions...? Naaah, there's always a way out:

Escape from New York (1981) ⭐ 7.1 | Action, Adventure, Sci-Fi

1h 39m | AA

www.imdb.com

We have a quick SUV for a fast evacuation, but an early ex-military Unimog is plan B in the event of a slow mass evacuation (as it can go overland and around traffic easily) or in the event of an electromagnetic pulse.

 

[Tonye]

I now need to find a less remote cabin so I have a contingency plan for the contingency plan…

Travel restrictions...? Naaah, there's always a way out:

A narrow boat like us, 2000 miles without restrictions. Can even go into the heart of London without charge. If owt like lockdown hits again i can still travel without leaving my home. The 12 bore will come in handy for armageddon.

 

[Tonye]

Something like this

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

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Something like this

Niiiice

 

[Tonye]

Just got to look out for the witches at night, thats Pendle hill in the distance

 

[Tonye]

Glad you like it, we will never look back.

 

[davymead]

True, although if this happens, gridlocked roads will be the least of our problems.

Almost every household in Britain has some form of Chinese-made connected electronics (aka IOT).

Luckily, we have removed (most of) the Chinese stuff from government offices and critical infrastructure, but not from people's homes.

Good luck to us, if this ever becomes a reality.

It's time to get a cabin in the woods near a stream, then furnish it with a fishing rod, a shotgun, and a hunting rifle.... and an axe to chop some wood and keep warm in winter. Just Stop Oil will be delighted.

China turning UK into 'dependent' state with push to infiltrate Britain, MP says

EXCLUSIVE: Britain has seen an influx of Chinese investment in recent years, and many public and private businesses are now owned or part-owned by the Chinese state - something one MP has warned could see the country become dependent on Beijing.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Dippo]

This is interesting.

Townhalls ignoring demand for on-street EV charge points, finds Vauxhall research

Nearly three-quarters of UK councils have yet to publish any strategy for residential on-street charging, according to new FOI findings

www.am-online.com

 

[markjay]

This is interesting.

Townhalls ignoring demand for on-street EV charge points, finds Vauxhall research

Nearly three-quarters of UK councils have yet to publish any strategy for residential on-street charging, according to new FOI findings

www.am-online.com

I guess we're very lucky with the lamppost charging here in Westminster - we have far more public chargers than EVs

Shame other Councils are dragging their heels.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

This is interesting.

Townhalls ignoring demand for on-street EV charge points, finds Vauxhall research

Nearly three-quarters of UK councils have yet to publish any strategy for residential on-street charging, according to new FOI findings

www.am-online.com

Council owned on street charging? That's nothing.

There are only 5,000 municipal owned toilets in the UK for 65,000,000 people. It's going to be a nightmare !!

Two points: EV owners charge their cars away from home only one in twenty charges.....

Who's better at delivering a reliable charging service? Your local council? Or Tesco, Sainsbury's, NCP, BP, Shell the National Trust, and even the Kings Head?

 

[Dippo]

There are only 5,000 municipal owned toilets in the UK for 65,000,000 people. It's going to be a nightmare !!

Who's better at delivering a reliable charging service? Your local council? Or Tesco, Sainsbury's, NCP, BP, Shell the National Trust, and even the Kings Head?

The toilets in Tesco, Sainsburys, and even the Kings Head are normally much better than public toilets - but we still need public toilets.

 

[markjay]

Council owned on street charging? That's nothing.

There are only 5,000 municipal owned toilets in the UK for 65,000,000 people. It's going to be a nightmare !!

Two points: EV owners charge their cars away from home only one in twenty charges.....

Who's better at delivering a reliable charging service? Your local council? Or Tesco, Sainsbury's, NCP, BP, Shell the National Trust, and even the Kings Head?

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The lamppost chargers in Westminster are provided by Shell Ubitricity, but obviously it required the cooperation of the Council because they own the lampposts.

The lamppost chargers are slow (5.5kWh), and are for residents use only (i.e. you park the car next to the lampost, hook it up, and it get charged overnight).

There are a few fast public chargers at the end of our street (50-150kWh), operated by various private companies, but so far I've only ever seen black cabs and Ubers charge there, I suppose that the higher price of the electricity from the fast chargers is only justified when the alternative (being off the road for longer) will cost you more...

Additionally, our local Aldi has three 50kWh charging bays, where you can charge your EV free of charge, so you get free electricity, but obviously only while you're shopping there.

However, while the lamppost chargers solution is probably ideal for people living in city centres, it is not so much so if you live in a suburban area. The reason is that people living in city centres are unlikely to use their car every day, and in most of their journeys they will cover only a couple of miles. Most people living in my area only need to charge their EVs once every other week, so there's really no problem with charging. The exception are hybrid cars with a small battery, there are a couple of neighbours who have their cars permanently attached to the lamppost, and pride themselves in not having to use the petrol engine at all in the past year... the cost per mile is obviously much cheaper on electricity than on petrol.

I would say that if you live in a house in a suburban neighborhood (and not in a block of flats near the city centre), you use the car daily, and travel more than just a few miles on each journey, you really need to have your own charger in your drive in order to live comfortably with an EV.

 

[alabbasi]

Governments tax commerce. If electric cars get enough where they can do everything as well as ICE, there will be a ban. If not, this will be kicked down the road because it can't be allowed to gridlock commerce.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

The toilets in Tesco, Sainsburys, and even the Kings Head are normally much better than public toilets - but we still need public toilets.

And we need Civil service built, maintained and cleaned toilets because?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

The lamppost chargers in Westminster are provided by Shell Ubitricity, but obviously it required the cooperation of the Council because they own the lampposts.

The lamppost chargers are slow (5.5kWh), and are for residents use only (i.e. you park the car next to the lampost, hook it up, and it get charged overnight).

There are a few fast public chargers at the end of our street (50-150kWh), operated by various private companies, but so far I've only ever seen black cabs and Ubers charge there, I suppose that the higher price of the electricity from the fast chargers is only justified when the alternative (being off the road for longer) will cost you more...

Additionally, our local Aldi has three 50kWh charging bays, where you can charge your EV free of charge, so you get free electricity, but obviously only while you're shopping there.

However, while the lamppost chargers solution is probably ideal for people living in city centres, it is not so much so if you live in a suburban area. The reason is that people living in city centres are unlikely to use their car every day, and in most of their journeys they will cover only a couple of miles. Most people living in my area only need to charge their EVs once every other week, so there's really no problem with charging. The exception are hybrid cars with a small battery, there are a couple of neighbours who have their cars permanently attached to the lamppost, and pride themselves in not having to use the petrol engine at all in the past year... the cost per mile is obviously much cheaper on electricity than on petrol.

I would say that if you live in a house in a suburban neighborhood (and not in a block of flats near the city centre), you use the car daily, and travel more than just a few miles on each journey, you really need to have your own charger in your drive in order to live comfortably with an EV.

Put it this way... If the civil service can plan, organise, build, deliver and maintain better than a commercial organisation....

Why aren't we nationalising Supermarkets, petrol stations, pubs and football teams.... because logically Mayor Khan and his team would do a better job?

...

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

On my rough old South West London estate of some two hundred households, 50 houses / 150 flats, we carefully installed six chargers for use by the flat dwellers and 30 home owners who don't have chargers. Clever planning, eh?

They're barely used by the twenty EV's and hybrids that don't have their own chargers. People charge when they're out and about, and EV owners with their own driveway use their own charger. And they may be using cheaper chargers, or subsidised chargers at their offices.

 

[markjay]

Put it this way... If the civil service can plan, organise, build, deliver and maintain better than a commercial organisation....

Why aren't we nationalising Supermarkets, petrol stations, pubs and football teams.... because logically Mayor Khan and his team would do a better job?

...

This is what Westminster is doing:

London streets turned into 'electric avenues' with lamp posts chargers

Westminster City Council wants every resident to eventually have an electric car

www.mylondon.news

I think that the challenge for other Councils might be population density.

In central London, where there are lots of blocks of flats, commercial organisations (such as Shell Ubitricity) would be happy if the Council offered them the opportunity to install chargers in lampposts.

But in less densely-populated areas, the lamppost chargers are likely to generate far less revenue and might not cover the cost of installing and maintaining them.