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Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

Something that won't help is the cost the m/f are charging for their EV's, or rather their parts.

Those are driving up the repair costs, driving up insurance rates on EV's and this is one (very extreme) example, but still....
This couple can 'probably' still just about afford it, but still, that's got to hurt somewhere in even their household budget.

'The insurance bill for our Teslas is now £5.6k a year': Why EVs are so expensive to cover

Just in case the link doesn't work

"Alex Gosney and his wife, Rachel, expected an increase when they asked for a car insurance renewal quote for their two Teslas, as Alex had received three points for speeding.
But even so the quote they received shocked them: their bill would increase from £1,800 to £5,600 a year.
Put another way, the bill just for their car insurance alone is now £450 a month.
“This is an increase of £3,800 – an amount we just did not expect,” said Alex, 34, who owns one Tesla outright and with his wife pays off the other one each month as part of a purchase plan.

Tesla's can only be repaired, officially, by them and their own network
Great for quality control, not great if they don't have capacity, or the parts are diverted onto new cars and not for repairs
Think I have said already, motor insurers are having to write them off more than they would normally to avoid months (and months) of credit hire or at best, hire car fees being added into the claim cost.

The situation will improve, but still, some short term pain
 
Pontoneer said:
In the news today

uk.yahoo.com

Five cars destroyed at Sydney airport after luxury electric vehicle’s battery ignites

Lithium battery that was detached from car caused a fire that then spread to four others
uk.yahoo.com uk.yahoo.com

While I know that petrol cars can and do ignite if the fuel system is ruptured and there is a source of ignition , these fires are relatively easy to extinguish...
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Would the Guardian have published an article about 5 cars destroyed by fire in a car park in Australia... if none of them were EVs?

This just shows the scale of the phobia - paranoia, even - that large parts of the public have towards EVs, and the media is both feeding on it and feeding it at the same time.
 
To me it seems the key purpose of the guardian article was to reassure people that the only reason for the fire was because someone took the battery out. So sort of to protect the reputation of EVs in a way. Not to shit on the EVs are great parade
 
markjay said:
Would the Guardian have published an article about 5 cars destroyed by fire in a car park in Australia... if none of them were EVs?

This just shows the scale of the phobia - paranoia, even - that large parts of the public have towards EVs, and the media is both feeding on it and feeding it at the same time.
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The story was not so much that one vehicle went on fire spontaneously , but that , being an EV the fire burned with such intensity that it spread to otehr vehicles close by in a way that petrol fires tend not to ; also that EV fires are nigh on impossible to extinguish , and when they do get going , individual cells from the battery packs become projectiles which shoot off at high velocity and start further fires in the surrounding area .

Of course , petrol cars do sometimes catch fire as well , ironically most commonly due to electrical faults and due to the energy stored in the car battery , but they tend to be more easily extinguished and tend not to spread so aggressively .

Given the relatively tiny numbers of EVs around , and the regularity of such stories appearing , it seems that EVs are much more prone to catching fire than other types , and when they do it is much more serious as well as being harder to put out . I think that justifies the publicity .
 
Pontoneer said:
The story was not so much that one vehicle went on fire spontaneously , but that , being an EV the fire burned with such intensity that it spread to otehr vehicles close by in a way that petrol fires tend not to ; also that EV fires are nigh on impossible to extinguish , and when they do get going , individual cells from the battery packs become projectiles which shoot off at high velocity and start further fires in the surrounding area .

Of course , petrol cars do sometimes catch fire as well , ironically most commonly due to electrical faults and due to the energy stored in the car battery , but they tend to be more easily extinguished and tend not to spread so aggressively .

Given the relatively tiny numbers of EVs around , and the regularity of such stories appearing , it seems that EVs are much more prone to catching fire than other types , and when they do it is much more serious as well as being harder to put out . I think that justifies the publicity .
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I understand all that, this was first highlighted in the media 5 years ago, and repeatedly and incessantly again and again ever since.... :doh:

How often do you see in the media warnings about the use of welding equipment on building sites - in case of a fire, the entire neighborhood will need to be evacuated for 3 days until the gas canisters cool down (yes, this happened to me).

Etc....
 
ALFAitalia said:
But Chessington World of Adventures is I've just noticed!......I'll just have to get my son to pay the ULEZ the next time he wants to go!!!
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Bizarrely the A3 is shown as being outside the zone though (even where it passes right through it), up as far as New Malden:

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markjay said:
I understand all that, this was first highlighted in the media 5 years ago, and repeatedly and incessantly again and again ever since.... :doh:

How often do you see in the media warnings about the use of welding equipment on building sites - in case of a fire, the entire neighborhood will need to be evacuated for 3 days until the gas canisters cool down (yes, this happened to me).

Etc....
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Our protocol for fires involving gas welding equipment is to cool the cylinders for 24 hours following the fire , and monitor until such time as everything is safe ; I've attended several such incidents . Also , we normally have a 500m exclusion zone , assuming it is something like a garage with oxy-acetylene kit , but one such incident I attended in Paisley turned out to have the local Calor Gas depot next door with hundreds of cylinders of propane and butane literally feet from the fire just on the other side of a brick wall , and it was yours truly , there to photograph the scene and being something of a nosey parker , who peered through the gap between closed gates and realised what was there . As soon as I reported it to the OIC , additional crews were sent for to break into the compound and start cooling those cylinders as well , and the cordon was extended .
 
Pontoneer said:
Our protocol for fires involving gas welding equipment is to cool the cylinders for 24 hours following the fire , and monitor until such time as everything is safe ; I've attended several such incidents . Also , we normally have a 500m exclusion zone , assuming it is something like a garage with oxy-acetylene kit , but one such incident I attended in Paisley turned out to have the local Calor Gas depot next door with hundreds of cylinders of propane and butane literally feet from the fire just on the other side of a brick wall , and it was yours truly , there to photograph the scene and being something of a nosey parker , who peered through the gap between closed gates and realised what was there . As soon as I reported it to the OIC , additional crews were sent for to break into the compound and start cooling those cylinders as well , and the cordon was extended .
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I have nothing but admiration for the firefighters who risk their lives to keep us safe.

My point was that the very serious event you described above that took place in Paisley, Scotland - is unlikely to have been reported half-way around the world in the press in Sydney, Australia.
 
markjay said:
I have nothing but admiration for the firefighters who risk their lives to keep us safe.

My point was that the very serious event you described above that took place in Paisley, Scotland - is unlikely to have been reported half-way around the world in the press in Sydney, Australia.
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Almost certainly not , as building fires go it was not that unusual .
 
Pontoneer said:
Our protocol for fires involving gas welding equipment is to cool the cylinders for 24 hours following the fire , and monitor until such time as everything is safe ; I've attended several such incidents . Also , we normally have a 500m exclusion zone , assuming it is something like a garage with oxy-acetylene kit , but one such incident I attended in Paisley turned out to have the local Calor Gas depot next door with hundreds of cylinders of propane and butane literally feet from the fire just on the other side of a brick wall , and it was yours truly , there to photograph the scene and being something of a nosey parker , who peered through the gap between closed gates and realised what was there . As soon as I reported it to the OIC , additional crews were sent for to break into the compound and start cooling those cylinders as well , and the cordon was extended .
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I carry oxy-acetylene in my van. Don’t crash into me.
 
Bobby Dazzler said:
I’ll be honest @Darrell thy sounds more like a threat than a safety warning! 😁
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You want to be careful of that Darrell, he has a-set-o-lean-tips! 😎
 
Bobby Dazzler said:
I’ll be honest @Darrell thy sounds more like a threat than a safety warning! 😁
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It’ll make a big noise that’s for sure. I just checked and I’ve got 2 little acetylenes, a little propane and an oxy!! And 4 Mapp gas.
 
Darrell said:
It’ll make a big noise that’s for sure. I just checked and I’ve got 2 little acetylenes, a little propane and an oxy!! And 4 Mapp gas.
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Hope you have the appropriate warning stickers on the back so emergency services are aware if ever you're involved in an incident ? I hope you never are !
 
Pontoneer said:
Hope you have the appropriate warning stickers on the back so emergency services are aware if ever you're involved in an incident ? I hope you never are !
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Yes I have but strangely there were none when I got the van in May. It’s been used by various leadworkers but they never bothered!!
 
Darrell said:
It’ll make a big noise that’s for sure. I just checked and I’ve got 2 little acetylenes, a little propane and an oxy!! And 4 Mapp gas.
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When I had my caravan , it had two small butane cylinders in the front compartment , which kept the fridge running while travelling ( no 12S electrics at that time ) and a 15Kg butane for use on site .

it was a while ago as you will guess from my W123 towcar , although I did tow it for a couple of years with my first W124

But most caravans/campers do have butane , or propane in colder weather .

I miss that 280TE , but not the fuel bills . It was as thirsty as my mother's 350SL
 

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