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Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

You missed the vast majority.....those who pick them for the running costs (although at the moment high purchase costs and resale value eat any savings and more)......And of course those who only drive them as they are company cars with very cheap BIK.....I would like to know how many drivers in a company EV would have even looked twice at one of they were paying for it themselves. And what percent of EVs in the UK are privately owned.
 
ALFAitalia said:
You missed the vast majority.....those who pick them for the running costs (although at the moment high purchase costs and resale value eat any savings and more)......And of course those who only drive them as they are company cars with very cheap BIK.....I would like to know how many drivers in a company EV would have even looked twice at one of they were paying for it themselves. And what percent of EVs in the UK are privately owned.
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Out of my friends …… none are privately owned.
 
Most (all I think?) people I know that have one are all for tax write off reasons, even creating limited companies and writing off everything with a Tesla. Usually doctors that do some private work, or people with family businesses.

But at the same time... how many people have private owned cars of any type worth over £25k? EVs are generally new and more expensive, and most people with £30k+ cars are on a lease of some kind.
 
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ALFAitalia said:
You missed the vast majority.....those who pick them for the running costs (although at the moment high purchase costs and resale value eat any savings and more)......And of course those who only drive them as they are company cars with very cheap BIK.....I would like to know how many drivers in a company EV would have even looked twice at one of they were paying for it themselves. And what percent of EVs in the UK are privately owned.
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Darrell said:
Out of my friends …… none are privately owned.
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I am assuming that most new EVs on the road are on business leases, meaning that depreciation and future value is a worry for the finance provider, not the end user.
 
I mean, I guess that's the whole point of offering an incentive. To get people to do what you want when they might not otherwise.
 
markjay said:
I understand how ICE can benefit from electrification.

The question is, why do we need the ICE at all, if we already have EV propulsion in the vehicle? Do we really need an entire engine, transmission, fuel tank fuel delivery system and exhaust pipe - just to avoid having a larger battery?

I am guessing that the majority of people buying Hybrid cars do so because they still want an ICE car and are trying to lower the running costs.
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Because not everyone makes short local journeys all the time
TeddyRuxpin said:
Most (all I think?) people I know that have one are all for tax write off reasons, even creating limited companies and writing off everything with a Tesla. Usually doctors that do some private work, or people with family businesses.

But at the same time... how many people have private owned cars of any type worth over £25k? EVs are generally new and more expensive, and most people with £30k+ cars are on a lease of some kind.
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I know lots of people with privately owned cars worth much more than that figure ; one friend has an E-Type which must be worth over £100K , and a newish Audi ( he's a retired surgeon ) ; also another Jaguar enthusiast friend has a garage full of classic models , and a RR Shadow II , another friend has two Healey 3000s , an MGA and a Jensen Healey ; three of those are fully restored hence easily worth more than that figure ; I know someone else with a 1953 170S ; and if I still had my Ponton , it would now be worth more than that figure .

Privately owned high value cars are not at all unusual .
 
TeddyRuxpin said:
Most (all I think?) people I know that have one are all for tax write off reasons, even creating limited companies and writing off everything with a Tesla. Usually doctors that do some private work, or people with family businesses.

But at the same time... how many people have private owned cars of any type worth over £25k? EVs are generally new and more expensive, and most people with £30k+ cars are on a lease of some kind.
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My one Tesla owning friend is retired and bought it privately ; trading in his Jaaag for it and using the Scottish Government interest free loan to pay it off over ( I think ) six years ; it was a sixty grand car ; the Jaaag funding about half of it and the rest paid off over the five or six years the loan ran for ; he told me he could've afforded to pay it himself , but why turn down an interest free loan ? It was his retirement present to himself and he still runs it , although he now has another part time job to bolster his pension .
 
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TeddyRuxpin said:
But... EVs aren't old enough to be classic cars... :rolleyes:
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Nor are they likely ever to become classics - the batteries will die before they reach any decent age ; I doubt many will get far beyond 10 or 15 years old before they hold no useful charge and the cost of new battery packs will make them uneconomical to fix .

On the other hand , I've had several cars more than 50 years old , and even my current one is knocking on the door of being 30 years old , with plenty of life left in it .
 
TeddyRuxpin said:
But at the same time... how many people have private owned cars of any type worth over £25k? EVs are generally new and more expensive, and most people with £30k+ cars are on a lease of some kind.
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That will likely be true for the folks who change their cars every 3-4 years but I suspect quite a few who keep them for longer buy them outright.
 
BTB 500 said:
That will likely be true for the folks who change their cars every 3-4 years but I suspect quite a few who keep them for longer buy them outright.
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I had a friend , sadly now deceased , who bought a new Mercedes every seven or so years , just after the model was superceded , and bought it outright , getting a good deal on the outgoing model ; I remember him having a W111 220S , then a W108 280SE and a W116 280SE ; all bought new and only replaced when the next model was discontinued . He ran a butcher's shop and was a shrewd businessman with an eye for a bargain .

My father was much the same : although I know he had used cars earlier , he bought his first Mercedes W110 190 Fintail new in 1964 ; when that was written off in a crash in 1970 , it was replaced initially with a W114 250 ; but that car turned out to have been in an accident before delivery , so was returned and a W115 220/8 bought instead ; after I passed my driving test in 1976 , my dad gave me that car as it gave him the excuse to get a new W123 250 in Maple Yellow . Sadly , the W115 was also written off in a crash a few years later , and I replaced it with my 5 speed manual W114 280E which I then kept for eleven years .
 
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Hi,
When people talk about what they would do when new ICE cars are banned from sale in 2030 - they are often thinking about how they currently drive and how they would do that same driving profile in 7 years time.
One big thing that people forget - is that hopefully by 2030 there will be more autonomous vehicles on the road - Tesla might have even cracked Full Self Driving by then!
If so - then each car can be used much more than it is now and families can reduce the number of cars that they own,
My wife is at work now - so her car is parked in an underground parking space beneath her hospital.
My car is in the garage at home - so I can use that to go shopping.
If either car was fully autonomous - then it could take my wife to work (with or without her driving) and then it could return home alone afterwards so that I could use it for the rest of the day.
Then it could go back to my wife’s hospital and drive her home at the end of her busy shift in A&E (which often finds her too tired to drive home really safely).
Then we could manage with one car.
Most normal ICE cars will last until around 150,000 miles before they are scrapped (not high performance or rare specials).
EVs are designed to last 2 to 3 times as long (early Teslas have more than 300,000 miles on them and they are still going strong)
This again will reduce the sale of new cars.
Summary - its dangerous to assume car use will be the same in 10 years as it is now!
Cheers
Steve
 
Steveml63 said:
Hi,
When people talk about what they would do when new ICE cars are banned from sale in 2030 - they are often thinking about how they currently drive and how they would do that same driving profile in 7 years time.
One big thing that people forget - is that hopefully by 2030 there will be more autonomous vehicles on the road - Tesla might have even cracked Full Self Driving by then!
If so - then each car can be used much more than it is now and families can reduce the number of cars that they own,
My wife is at work now - so her car is parked in an underground parking space beneath her hospital.
My car is in the garage at home - so I can use that to go shopping.
If either car was fully autonomous - then it could take my wife to work (with or without her driving) and then it could return home alone afterwards so that I could use it for the rest of the day.
Then it could go back to my wife’s hospital and drive her home at the end of her busy shift in A&E (which often finds her too tired to drive home really safely).
Then we could manage with one car.
Most normal ICE cars will last until around 150,000 miles before they are scrapped (not high performance or rare specials).
EVs are designed to last 2 to 3 times as long (early Teslas have more than 300,000 miles on them and they are still going strong)
This again will reduce the sale of new cars.
Summary - its dangerous to assume car use will be the same in 10 years as it is now!
Cheers
Steve
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But these self driving journeys would actually be more mileage ; hence more car use , than each car just doing the desired journey separately .

Almost all of my cars have reached or exceeded 300,000 miles , my current W124 is low miles just knocking on the door of 200,000 and my personal record was my 470,000 mile 300TE-24

It is really legislation that is holding back self driving cars : VW had self driving Passats running around Germany almost 30 years ago , and Mercedes had APS ( auto pilot system ) ready to go for the W140 ; but no country would permit it .

I hope to be retired in 10 years time , currently 65 and still working !

Once I retire my car use will change , mostly to leisure use rather than the commuting and business miles I do at present , with only a small amount of leisure use .
 
Steveml63 said:
If either car was fully autonomous - then it could take my wife to work (with or without her driving) and then it could return home alone afterwards so that I could use it for the rest of the day.
Then it could go back to my wife’s hospital and drive her home at the end of her busy shift in A&E (which often finds her too tired to drive home really safely).
Then we could manage with one car.
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Pontoneer beat me to it - overall road usage would then be higher than if you each had your own car.
 
Pontoneer said:
But these self driving journeys would actually be more mileage ; hence more car use , than each car just doing the desired journey separately .

Almost all of my cars have reached or exceeded 300,000 miles , my current W124 is low miles just knocking on the door of 200,000 and my personal record was my 470,000 mile 300TE-24

It is really legislation that is holding back self driving cars : VW had self driving Passats running around Germany almost 30 years ago , and Mercedes had APS ( auto pilot system ) ready to go for the W140 ; but no country would permit it .

I hope to be retired in 10 years time , currently 65 and still working !

Once I retire my car use will change , mostly to leisure use rather than the commuting and business miles I do at present , with only a small amount of leisure use .
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I did mention normal cars - not prestige models.
Mercedes generally last longer than normal cars - how many old Ford’s, Peugeots, Renaults, Vauxhalls are still running after 150,000 miles?
 
Why have new sales of the engine been banned when the problem is with fossil fuels? Why not ban the sale of fossil fuels and permit the sale of ICE to run on bio fuels?
 
Biofuels still pollute...
 
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