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Whats your strategy for year 2030 / ban of ICE vehicles?

There you go... first line in Google. Do your worst....

www.theguardian.com

Years of breathing traffic pollution increases death rates, study finds

International review establishes strong connections between polluted air and mortality
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

"We often see estimates for early deaths from breathing polluted air. For the UK this is equivalent to between 29,000 and 43,000 deaths for adults, aged 30 and over, in 2019. For London the latest annual figure is between 3,600 and 4,100 attributable deaths."

Go on, tell me why this is 'not true'.... I've got my flak jacket on, waiting for incoming.
 
markjay said:
Go on, tell me why this is 'not true'.... I've got my flak jacket on, waiting for incoming.
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From within your article the linked to government issued Chemical Hazards and Poisons Report 2022 states -

"It should be noted that the annual number of ‘attributable deaths’ associated with long-term
average concentrations of pollutants is not an estimate of the number of people whose
untimely death is caused entirely by air pollution. Instead, it is a way of representing the
effect of air pollution across the whole population: air pollution is considered to act as a
contributory factor to many more individual deaths."
 
whitenemesis said:
From within your article the linked to government issued Chemical Hazards and Poisons Report 2022 states -

"It should be noted that the annual number of ‘attributable deaths’ associated with long-term
average concentrations of pollutants is not an estimate of the number of people whose
untimely death is caused entirely by air pollution. Instead, it is a way of representing the
effect of air pollution across the whole population: air pollution is considered to act as a
contributory factor to many more individual deaths."
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Obviously, you want die from inhaling exhaust fumes from passing cars while walking down the high street, just as you want die simply from smoking.

The deaths are from other illnesses, caused or made worse by breathing harmful pollutants.
 
markjay said:
Obviously, you want die from inhaling exhaust fumes from passing cars while walking down the high street, just as you want die simply from smoking.

The deaths are from other illnesses, caused or made worse by breathing harmful pollutants.
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And if you just carry on walking down the high street you most probably won’t die at a young age anyway.
Almost 57, fit as fook and with zero ailments. Lived in London most of my life.
 
Bobby Dazzler said:
In recent years we’ve had quite a few emotive topics in the mainstream, with Brexit, COVID-19, economic uncertainty, environmental concerns, amongst others.
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Some would argue that emotive topics have always been there: votes for women, the global recession (of the 1930's), workers rights, the stupidity of the involvement in the World War, rights for returning soldiers, ever increasing taxation.....

The only difference, in every country has been the ability to communicate thanks to rise of social media and the internet.
 
Hi , I live in Malvern and the pollution levels ( smell of exhaust gas ) is terrible at certains busy times of the day.

I now will only have a coffee inside a cafe.
 
markjay said:
What you describe is exactly what they said about heavy smokers back in the seventies.
I suggest that you read the article I linked.
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What article is that? The article you posted, written by a very under-qualified journalist, demonstrated NOTHING like the direct causation of deaths from smoking that was identified in the 1960's and 70's. Londoners are NOT dying in their 50's purely because they live and breathe the air in Greater London.
 
markjay said:
I'll have a Google search for any actual figures, however I have a feeling that anything I post will be torn apart on here as 'propaganda and lies'... will have a go anyway.
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The data's out there. Excess sport does lead to premature death. It's a thing.

Prudential 100, Marathons, Triathlons, IronMan: all have a strong record of serious physical harms occurring during training and during the race.
 
MikeInWimbledon said:
The data's out there. Excess sport does lead to premature death. It's a thing.

Prudential 100, Marathons, Triathlons, IronMan: all have a strong record of serious physical harms occurring during training and during the race.
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13 runners have died competing in the London Marathon since its inception in 1982. Should it be banned?
 
Darrell said:
Almost 57, fit as fook and with zero ailments. Lived in London most of my life.
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Zero "diagnosed" ailments.

It's a feature of modern "healthcare." The more we spend, the more we diagnose.

Spend a grand or two on Harley Street health checks and they will find things that are "wrong" with you. Not necessarily relevant or life-shortening, but identifiable.

The medical profession is in a huge debate over screening for breast and prostate cancer with one wing saying that it's a "good thing" and the other wing saying it is unnecessarily, and harmful in the majority of cases.
 
Darrell said:
13 runners have died competing in the London Marathon since its inception in 1982. Should it be banned?
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Now add in those who have died while preparing for it. And then add in those who have harmed their health (heart attacks, strokes, soft tissue damage, knee damage, kidney damage and general injuries) while preparing or performing it.
 
MikeInWimbledon said:
Some would argue that emotive topics have always been there: votes for women, the global recession (of the 1930's), workers rights, the stupidity of the involvement in the World War, rights for returning soldiers, ever increasing taxation.....

The only difference, in every country has been the ability to communicate thanks to rise of social media and the internet.
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MikeInWimbledon said:
Some would argue that emotive topics have always been there: votes for women, the global recession (of the 1930's), workers rights, the stupidity of the involvement in the World War, rights for returning soldiers, ever increasing taxation.....

The only difference, in every country has been the ability to communicate thanks to rise of social media and the internet.
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I’d agree. It’s nothing new, we’ve just had a run in quick succession, but the biggest difference is that the examples I mentioned have surfaced at a time of maturity in social media.

A time in which anyone’s and everyone’s voice carries a long way, and being behind behind a pane of glass can bring out a different side in people, whether it’s their phone screen or their windscreen.

I think the other key difference is that it has coincided with a period in which there are high levels of distrust for Government, organisations and even other people. Nothing new, but the size and strength of feeling is unusual, no doubt with flames fanned by social media.
 
MikeInWimbledon said:
The data's out there. Excess sport does lead to premature death. It's a thing.

Prudential 100, Marathons, Triathlons, IronMan: all have a strong record of serious physical harms occurring during training and during the race.
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Participating in sport activity is a personal choice.

Avoiding breathing cars' exhaust fumes if you live or work in a city, not so much.
 
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MikeInWimbledon said:
Zero "diagnosed" ailments.
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No.
Zero ailments.

No aches, pains or anything.
Never had a sickie and the only time I’ve had paracetamol is because I’ve got a headache.

Never been to A&E or had reason to see my GP apart from tablets to give up smoking.
They were astonished that I’d been registered there for so long without making an appearance.

I used to smoke, I’ve worked on roofs in London for donkeys years handling lead, I cycle in central London and I’ve lived in what is now the ULEZ.

Heart rate and blood pressure is that of a younger man.
 
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