What other form of warning is habitually given in The Royal Borough that we may be unaware of out in the sticks?
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What other form of warning is habitually given in The Royal Borough that we may be unaware of out in the sticks?
kth286
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It should be ' signal, mirror, manoeuvre'.
everyone leaves the signal until very late - not good.
it should be taught, that as soon as the thought comes into your head that you are going to turn, then it should be automatic that you signal your intention.
Then do the mirror bit etc.
By doing the mirror first and comprehending what you see in it, you have travelled possibly a great distance before you then signal.
It would be far more beneficial to the driver behind to see the signal well in advance.
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No-ooooo-ooooo !
Proper observation MUST be taken BEFORE giving any signals .
The very act of putting on a signal when someone else is in close proximity could in itself be enough to provoke a panic reaction on the part of another driver : suppose someone is overtaking you when you throw on a signal without bothering to look - the overtaking driver can only think 'this idiot's pulling out' and take evasive action .
You might also signal then discover the manouvre is unsafe so cancel the signal - do this a couple of times and a following driver will ( quite rightly ) disregard your I'll considered signals : 'The boy who cried wolf' syndrome .
Systems of car control are designed the way they are for good reason .
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And not just mirror signal manoeuver. at the simplest it should be mirror,pause think about what you have seen and consider your course of action, signal if required for your course of action, pause, check the mirrors again to ensure your manouevre will be safe and other drivers have reacted to the signal, then and only then carry out the manoeuvre,
or as Pontoneer mentioned use the whole system of car control
or as Pontoneer mentioned use the whole system of car control
I'd be about 200 yards past whatever I was signaling to turn into if I went through your elaborate rigmarole!
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Not if you are looking far enough ahead and plan your drive. Just takes practice. Boys in blue do it, and more, at very high speeds on the advanced courses
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I fully endorse what Pontoneer and The mallard have said above. Far too many drivers seem to care only about what's directly in front of them, rather than both reading the road ahead and having a true appreciation of what's happening behind and alongside them.
The mallard's "rigmarole" should be intuitive to any considerate driver, and the pauses he mentions need only be long enough to take account of what you have observed; if you don't do that, why bother observing in the first place?
Another area where drivers tend to fall down on their M...S...M procedure is by indicating and braking for a turn at the same time, thus rendering the signal itself of little use to a following driver. Indicating is not just about showing which way you're going to turn, but the fact that you're about to slow down as well.
The mallard's "rigmarole" should be intuitive to any considerate driver, and the pauses he mentions need only be long enough to take account of what you have observed; if you don't do that, why bother observing in the first place?
Another area where drivers tend to fall down on their M...S...M procedure is by indicating and braking for a turn at the same time, thus rendering the signal itself of little use to a following driver. Indicating is not just about showing which way you're going to turn, but the fact that you're about to slow down as well.
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None of the words confuse me, just the content.
Oh and it is spelt Olly too.
Oh and it is spelt Olly too.
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Exactly why it should signal first.
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Well, exactly why you should signal before manoeuvring, but not before using your mirrors. Oh, and a well-timed look over the shoulder doesn't do any harm, either.
The FULL System of Car Control affords multiple opportunities to take rear observation and signal your intentions to others - it has been simplified ( I won't say 'dumbed down' ) since I did it , but when I learned there were six features -
1) Mirrors , select course
2) Mirrors , signals , (adjust) speed
3) Gear (appropriate to negotiate the hazard)
4) Mirrors and signals ( opportunity to now give a signal if none was required earlier , or to emphasise an already given signal )
5) Horn ( consider a horn warning , or headlamp flash , if someone may be unaware of you and would benefit )
5.5) Motorcyclists have an extra 'lifesaver' shoulder check at this point .
6) Acceleration ( apply the correct degree of acceleration to see you safely through the hazard ) this feature has two parts and needs to be taught as it is often misunderstood if just learned from a book .
The above may indeed sound like a 'rigmarole' and , at first , can seem cumbersome but , with proper tuition and plenty of practice becomes second nature and can easily be done 'in real time' and without slowing your progress .
There is a newer system now , comprising of four 'phases' instead of the six feature one I learned - as yet , I have limited experience of it and have still to be convinced of its benefits .
1) Mirrors , select course
2) Mirrors , signals , (adjust) speed
3) Gear (appropriate to negotiate the hazard)
4) Mirrors and signals ( opportunity to now give a signal if none was required earlier , or to emphasise an already given signal )
5) Horn ( consider a horn warning , or headlamp flash , if someone may be unaware of you and would benefit )
5.5) Motorcyclists have an extra 'lifesaver' shoulder check at this point .
6) Acceleration ( apply the correct degree of acceleration to see you safely through the hazard ) this feature has two parts and needs to be taught as it is often misunderstood if just learned from a book .
The above may indeed sound like a 'rigmarole' and , at first , can seem cumbersome but , with proper tuition and plenty of practice becomes second nature and can easily be done 'in real time' and without slowing your progress .
There is a newer system now , comprising of four 'phases' instead of the six feature one I learned - as yet , I have limited experience of it and have still to be convinced of its benefits .
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Received the witness forms from the Traffic Serious Casework Unit yesterday so obviously some action to be taken. Quite by coincidence I was up in the Chilterns again for the day, and when I drove back in via Holland Park, saw the aftermath of another motorcycle accident with rider in the road, attended to by paramedics and police. Just a bit too coincidental for my liking.
In a way it is not surprising, having witnessed some absolutely shocking motorcycle riding recently. Weaving fast through heavy traffic, lingering in blind spots and then under or over-taking forcing other road users to brake, accidents are inevitable.
In a way it is not surprising, having witnessed some absolutely shocking motorcycle riding recently. Weaving fast through heavy traffic, lingering in blind spots and then under or over-taking forcing other road users to brake, accidents are inevitable.
I cycle to the office most days and drivers who signal just as they start a maneouvre are the bane of my life.
The indicator comes on the micro second before they start to turn with zero though to anyone else.
I've narrowly avoided being hit on numerous occasions by these (selfish) numpties.
As a driver it's easy not to spot cyclist and bikers but a bit of common sense can help everybody.
The indicator comes on the micro second before they start to turn with zero though to anyone else.
I've narrowly avoided being hit on numerous occasions by these (selfish) numpties.
As a driver it's easy not to spot cyclist and bikers but a bit of common sense can help everybody.
rees_A
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All forms of Cyclist(Motorised or not) are a MENACE to other road users!!! They seem to think the highway code doesn't apply to them, they ride between cars and then complain when they get knocked off!!!. If they followed the highway code correctly and put a stop to queue jumping 90% of their 'so called' accidents wouldn't happen!!!
I used to ride a motorbike and any accident I had was partly my fault for riding on the outside of stationery cars to try to jump queues.
The sooner this is made an endorsable offence the safer our roads will become!!!
I recently had a collision in similar circumstances to the one described, queues or traffic, I was turning right, cars stopped to let me go, STUPID maniac on a motorbike comes tearing up the outside of queued traffic(Well he was doing at least 15mph) and crashed into my car....Insurance says 'my fault' What a crock!!
All motorcyclists should get fined/points when overtaking queuing traffic, they are, as stated earlier, just a menace to all of us!!!
I used to ride a motorbike and any accident I had was partly my fault for riding on the outside of stationery cars to try to jump queues.
The sooner this is made an endorsable offence the safer our roads will become!!!
I recently had a collision in similar circumstances to the one described, queues or traffic, I was turning right, cars stopped to let me go, STUPID maniac on a motorbike comes tearing up the outside of queued traffic(Well he was doing at least 15mph) and crashed into my car....Insurance says 'my fault' What a crock!!
All motorcyclists should get fined/points when overtaking queuing traffic, they are, as stated earlier, just a menace to all of us!!!
I agree - that "law" should be changed making it the full fault of the **** on the bike.
rees_A
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And you spent so much time looking etc you missed your turn off LOL!!!!!
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