Woman, 84, dies in A1 'wrong way' crash

[flango]

Per my last post you will see I am trying to understand the irrational scaremongering against elderly drivers.
Retests, medicals, banning them from driving...why? They aren't a group that causes injuries or death, merely inconvenience and a few scrapes, mainly to their own property.

Wasn't it Hitler had a similar outlook?

Again look at the stats the elderly DO cause significant number of injuries and deaths second only to the 17 -24 age group. It is these two age groups in which we need to address driver behaviour and competence to make our roads safer.

Just read the reports and numbers in the link I gave its all there and is all FACT

 

[Dieselman]

Again look at the stats the elderly DO cause significant number of injuries and deaths second only to the 17 -24 age group. It is these two age groups in which we need to address driver behaviour and competence to make our roads safer.

Just read the reports and numbers in the link I gave its all there and is all FACT

I've looked through the tables index's and can't see one that covers the age of a driver for KSI collisions caused by them only injured parties.

Can you please put a link up for that one.

So, after all, it's the young drivers need to be tested continuously...but haven't they already had both theory and practical tests in their recent past?

Having looked at the stats provided again it's obvious that they have been used out of context.

Have a look at the numbers injured in each age group and type of travel. Pro-rata, Motorcycles kill and maim more people than any other form of transport. If we really do want a quick result, just ban them.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/10137/ras20002.xls

 

[renault12ts]

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[Dieselman]

<shrug>

This used to be an informative, fun, forum. now it's just bitching and trial by media. This thread is four pages too long based on nothing but prejudice against old people.

 

[gerrym]

http://madmikesamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Dog-with-bone.jpg

Lol!

 

[Dieselman]

Lol!

gerrym
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You fit the stereotype well.

 

[flango]

I've looked through the tables index's and can't see one that covers the age of a driver for KSI collisions caused by them only injured parties.

Can you please put a link up for that one.

So, after all, it's the young drivers need to be tested continuously...but haven't they already had both theory and practical tests in their recent past?

Having looked at the stats provided again it's obvious that they have been used out of context.

Have a look at the numbers injured in each age group and type of travel. Motorcycles kill and maim more people than any other form of transport.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/10137/ras20002.xls

Now you are really taking things out of context, in post #53 you were talking about motorcyclists getting killed not motorcyclists killing other people, the former is what I was commenting on.

I've already said on numerous occasions younger drivers need better training

The age stats are all in the previous link but here is the report that covers them

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...achment_data/file/9280/rrcgb2011-complete.pdf

 

[flango]

<shrug>

This used to be an informative, fun, forum. now it's just bitching and trial by media. This thread is four pages too long based on nothing but prejudice against old people.

I love old people, I will be one sooner rather than later I don't care how old anyone is they should have to continually prove competence to drive.

 

[cinek]

gerrym
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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You fit the stereotype well.

Thought you didn't like direct insults, as they show the level of thinking abilities...







In the meantime, the sun has just came out

What a beautiful day this is.

 

[flango]

Thought you didn't like direct insults, as they show the level of thinking abilities...







In the meantime, the sun has just came out

What a beautiful day this is.

pouring down here and I took the day off work to detail the CLK for winter

 

[Dieselman]

Now you are really taking things out of context, in post #53 you were talking about motorcyclists getting killed not motorcyclists killing other people, the former is what I was commenting on.

I've already said on numerous occasions younger drivers need better training

The age stats are all in the previous link but here is the report that covers them

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...achment_data/file/9280/rrcgb2011-complete.pdf

Where?

I had already checked all the tables this report is generated from and now have scanned the report and nowhere can I see it says OAP are to blame for the collisions, it only reports on who is KSI.

 

[Dieselman]

Thought you didn't like direct insults, as they show the level of thinking abilities...

I'm attempting to get to the facts, not just allow unthinking people to harass old people.
gerry fits the bill perfectly as he isn't interested in facts.

From what I read, the two groups that should be targeted to reduce KSI collisions are young drivers and motorcyclists.

As the young drivers have already taken tests in the recent past and are in the main physically fit, it goes to show that testing old people isn't the answer.

 

[flango]

Where?

I had already checked all the tables this report is generated from and now have scanned the report and nowhere can I see it says OAP are to blame for the collisions, it only reports on who is KSI.

Of course it doesn't report on blame that's a different set of data all together but available from ABI and RoSPA but it matches the high KSI figures by user type (car driver) of the 70+ age group.

As I keep saying the 2 groups involved in the most accidents and need better driver training are 17 - 24 and 70+

Or are you saying out of all the 70+ age group that had accidents non of them were at fault

 

[PXW]

.
gerry fits the bill perfectly as he isn't interested in facts.

How on earth do you deduce that?? All he has done is click to say he liked the picture of the dog with the bone!

 

[Dieselman]

How on earth do you deduce that?? All he has done is click to say he liked the picture of the dog with the bone!

He had already responded in Post #59.

As said, I am just trying to get some facts to base a reasonable opinion on, not just alienate old people because they get in our way.

 

[cinek]

I'm attempting to get to the facts, not just allow unthinking people to harass old people.

I am sorry, but nobody is harassing anybody.
Both old and young drivers are higher risk drivers, it is a fact that we can all argue until cows come home, but whats the point??

You keep requesting from everybody to prove that older drivers are responsible for 'x' amount of incidents, hoping the numbers wont add up.

How about, we turn the table and you present your figures / statistics which will clearly prove the elderly are not involved nor cause such incidents.

 

[Dieselman]

How about, we turn the table and you present your figures / statistics which will clearly prove the elderly are not involved nor cause such incidents.

Why should I? I didn't make the sweeping statements that they are responsible for KSI collisions so should be put off the road.

You're going all defensive because you can't substantiate your and others claims.

 

[cinek]

Why should I? I didn't make the sweeping statements that they are responsible for KSI collisions so should be put off the road.

You're going all defensive because you can't substantiate your and others claims.

Not at all, I just really haven't got the time to pull out all the data, only for you to argue it is all wrong and rubbish.

So in line with your logic, I might not be proving my point, but neither do you.

 

[flango]

I for one am not making sweeping claims I am posting an informed opinion based on consultation with accident prevention agencies, government departments, driver training consultants yet all our opinions seem to differ to yours.

The facts are there make of them what you will but your opinion is at odds with every other professional institution that has contributed on the subject trying to make our roads safer.

You are perfectly entitled to you opinion and I respect that but if you have facts that disprove any of what the working party I'm on have seen to date, please provide them we would be only too happy to review them, who knows all of us may have got this completely wrong

 

[PXW]

He had already responded in Post #59.

As said, I am just trying to get some facts to base a reasonable opinion on, not just alienate old people because they get in our way.

I guess he can defend himself, but it's a bit of a leap from his post 59 to your conclusion that he is not interested in facts.

Will, I really enjoy your contribution to this forum, and I even appreciate some of the long arguments you run with people...you have a style all your own! But I just don't see the place for personal insults such as this or your comment on Gerry fitting a stereotype (which from your tone I infer to be something negative rather than stereotypical of someone successful enough to put a £70k car on his drive - but please put me right if I have misunderstood you).

Just my 2p....