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80mph speed limits, Pah

To go at 120mph is surely to slow down Mr Baron, you have a BMW :D ?

Depends who is paying... if am "working" then 25ppm doesn't allow for much speed...


In reality there are times when 120 is too slow... but they are few and far between... a lot of speed is momentary... the capability to do big numbers (and i mean BIG numbers) often permits illegal but sane pace - where are avg machinery would be insane at that same pace due to lack of acceleration... is the old T.E.D. overtaking methodology... my old track Octavia could regularly go to warp 1.5 in such a short space that you could take advantage of it whilst maintaining difference... an X1 or c200cdi or family hatch will have a 120-130 maybe 140 vmax but to use it would require Andrews Airforce base....
 
What always amazes me about the speed limit is if 70 is considered the safe limit on our motorways and dual carriageways how come manufacturers aren't forced by our safety nazi government to fit speed limiters to prevent any of us exceeding the limit ?

I admit that 100 is excessive for most of the numpties on our roads, they sit insulated in the safety of their air conditioned steel cages oblivious to other road users. Quite often I've sat in the fast lane behind dimwits who won't move and then get ****y if you dare flash a light to let them know you're there or god forbid undertake !

I also ride a bike capable of doing 100 in 1st gear and 70 is painfully slow when sitting in 6th with the engine barely ticking over ! I find the norm comfortable pace is 3 figures even on A roads, with big brakes and big power comes responsibility and touch wood I haven't met my maker yet.

I'd like to see variable limits like they have on the continent based on road conditions, I'd also like to see lane discipline enforced & tailgating punished with regularity instead of the focus on speeding offences as to my mind these two things are far more dangerous than the act of speeding itself , leading to frustration, road rage and ultimately dangerous driving.

That's my 2p ;)
 
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I'd like to see variable limits like they have on the continent based on road conditions, I'd also like to see lane discipline enforced & tailgating punished with regularity instead of the focus on speeding offences as to my mind these two things are far more dangerous than the act of speeding itself ,

If the above was done, then and only then, might we able to go faster. Good allround then. Good post MJH.

MJ mentions the cost of implementing variable limit systems. It could be an investment if the economy benefits through increased efficiencies enjoyed by businesses - and that includes their employees getting to work and home timely and safely.
 
Tailgating is usually caused by vehicles not moving back to inside lanes, I agree it is perhaps more dangerous than speed per se, and yes more vigouras enforcement of lane discipline would be a good thing.
 
Tailgating is usually caused by vehicles not moving back to inside lanes, I agree it is perhaps more dangerous than speed per se, and yes more vigouras enforcement of lane discipline would be a good thing.

Ummmmm.

Tailgating is usually caused by a driver behind approaching the car in front ....

And it doesn't just happen in the outer lanes of motorways and dual carriageways.
 
Tailgating is usually caused by vehicles not moving back to inside lanes.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree. IMO the majority of tailgating is performed for no apparent reason. Lorry drivers are amongst the worst offenders, even when in the nearside lane. And a very high number of drivers seem to find a need to attach themselves to the vehicle in front on single lane roads as well as nearside and centre lanes of 3-lane dual carriageways. In the former instance it limits the opportunities for faster drivers to overtake, and on motorways it provides less places to move out of the overtaking lane. My perception is that most of these tailgaters aren't fast drivers, they're just lonely or something. In very many cases they just don't want to overtake and/or change lane; they drive up behind the leading vehicle and then slow down to remain on its tail. Illogical to me! :wallbash:
 
And a very high number of drivers seem to find a need to attach themselves to the vehicle in front on single lane roads as well as nearside and centre lanes of 3-lane dual carriageways. In the former instance it limits the opportunities for faster drivers to overtake, and on motorways it provides less places to move out of the overtaking lane. My perception is that most of these tailgaters aren't fast drivers, they're just lonely or something. In very many cases they just don't want to overtake and/or change lane; they drive up behind the leading vehicle and then slow down to remain on its tail. Illogical to me!

The bane of my (motoring) life. You've noticed it, I curse it, the police do nothing.

The driving standards have fallen to dangerously low standards. It's time the police did what they are supposed to. Prosecute. The word will soon get round and the behaviour change. Until then...
 
You often see it, middle lane freak, lane 1 is quiet, you approach in lane one, move round to three to pass and back into one, and the freak in the middle lane moves into the inside one....
In my experience the freaks stay in the middle lane. Sometimes have been occasions when outside lane is very busy and even faster than me so a couple of flashes persuades the middle-lane-dawdler to move into the inside lane. After driving past he then pulls back into the centre lane despite the inside lane being clear for a very long way!!!
 
I also ride a bike capable of doing 100 in 1st gear and 70 is painfully slow when sitting in 6th with the engine barely ticking over ! I find the norm comfortable pace is 3 figures even on A roads, with big brakes and big power comes responsibility and touch wood I haven't met my maker yet.

An unskyllful young rider from Rhyll
Motorcycled full speed down a hyll
Till a spyll at a bend
Killed our wyllful young friend
Now in the churchyard he lies styll

No comment on the OP's experience or ability, just made me remember this from long ago.
 
just to throw my 50 pence in, go drive in France, there motorway discipline is superb. A little daunting at first but it was best place I have driven on motorways. They get in immediately and they pull out just as quick.

The speed however is constant and this is the key. They are sneaky cheese eating surrender monkeys and the speed cameras could be anywhere at any time and people drive with that in mind. This keeps everyone in check and driving there was a pleasure! As soon as i got back to the uk my blood pressure was up and the swearing was in full flow!

I think 80mph is a great idea. But it has to be policed very differently to how our roads are now.
 
I think well before any motorway speed increases are to be considered, it, imo, is more essential to have some driving lessons on motorways. Yes, there are dual carriageways, but they tend to be just a few miles long as opposed to many motorway journeys of 60+ miles. My daughter works in Holland and driving standards on motorways over there are far better in both lane discipline and leaving space between other vehicles, they have lessons on the motorways apparently. At present, little Sid with his ford escort 17 years old just passed his test can drive on a road, having little or no experience of overtaking, lane discipline and speed. I know it has been the same for many years, but maybe its time for change, then with the added skills in place, motorway speed can be increased.
 
They are sneaky cheese eating surrender monkeys

Because they didn't 'surrender' to Bush, his hawks, and a desire to obliterate tens of thousands innocent civilians whose country had none of the weaponry the liars claimed?

I think well before any motorway speed increases are to be considered, it, imo, is more essential to have some driving lessons on motorways..

For a long time I have advocated that the test as it is should only qualify a driver for daytime non motorway driving. Subsequent modules sat within say, two years, would then qualify them for everything. One module for motorway, another for dark, poor weather (visibility eg fog, and grip eg snow/ice - which a skid pan can form a part of).


Yes, there are dual carriageways, but they tend to be just a few miles long as opposed to many motorway journeys of 60+ miles.

Except for north of Perth where DCW is still being fought for. Legislating from London for all UK motoring has its limitations.
 
It's time the police did what they are supposed to..

What Police? the HATO's that Phoney Tony thought would be an improvment - Trafpol is understaffed, underfunded and tasked with revenue generatingf tasks.

Until that balance is redressed roads will be the new wild west.

I would love to see the emphasis shift from speed to etiquette but it is unlikely to happen.
 
My answer to the OP’s question on whether or not to have a 100mph limit on motorways is: I don’t know.

Unlike most of you whippersnappers here, I’m old enough to have been driving before the 70mph max limit was introduced in 1965 – just. My distant memories of those unrestricted times are mainly that driving standards were better than now. Most people drove at the speed that they and their vehicles were comfortable with. The inside lane on the M1 was used far more than the other lanes and most of us drove with a good awareness of what was going on around us. We didn’t have seatbelts, airbags and all the other safety features lulling us into a false sense of security. We knew that it was likely to hurt if we got it wrong. Those of us who started on motorbikes had an even better appreciation of this.

I have two stories to illustrate what it was like at speed on the roads then. On one occasion I was riding my Triumph Bonneville up the M1 early one morning, happily cruising along at around 125mph with virtually no other traffic on the road. An AC Cobra came past me so fast that I nearly got off to find out why I’d stopped! Apparently it was doing nearly 190mph on a road test prior to the 1964 Le Mans. It didn’t bother me and it didn’t cause any accidents, but many people thought the 70 limit was introduced because of it. On another occasion, only weeks before the 70mph limit came in, I was driving my MkVII Jag along the M4 towards London at over 120mph. A sudden downpour was too much for the pathetic wipers that blew the fuse and left me blinded! My passenger had to lean out of his window and guide me over to the hardshoulder to fix the wipers. I was only 19 at the time and certainly shouldn’t have been driving at that speed in changeable weather conditions.

The point of those 2 stories is that we could get away with very high speeds, even when inexperienced, because there was far less traffic on the roads. BUT we did learn to be aware of other much faster vehicles. We had to keep our wits about us. So perhaps a 100mph limit now would make us return to having to stay more aware when driving, to be less complacent. But would that mean those of us who want to drive at 100mph (that includes me) would find ourselves with the same mindset as we do at the moment when driving at 70? Would we be thinking, “I’m not going to get caught for speeding, therefore I can relax”!

When I’m driving above the speed limit I concentrate far more on my driving. I’m more aware of hazards such as other drivers who may not be expecting me to approach at such high speed, and I’m also on the lookout for cameras and jam sandwiches. There’s the possibility that my concentration levels would reduce when driving “legally”.

It was rightly mentioned earlier that most speedos are inaccurate. This leads to the holier-than-thou brigade hogging the middle and even outside lanes where their speedo is indicating a tiny fraction under 70. But we know that could in reality be 65 or even less, so we get frustrated when stuck behind them. That’s not good at 65-70mph. It’d be even more dangerous at 90-100mph. But hopefully my earlier mentioned “saints” would also be doing their bit to save the planet and still be driving at around 65mph, but knowing that they’re not the legally fastest cars and thus keeping out of the way of us oil consumers.

So, in essence I’m tending towards being in favour of 100mph limits in a few places when the conditions are favourable. I think that a big jump to 100 is better than a piddling increase to 80, which I believe wouldn’t make any difference to driving attitudes. But I’m just not sure, so I’ll have to sit here with a large chunk of fence where the sun doesn’t shine.
 
The thing is though, that it wouldn't take much from the police to effect real change. In the nearest village to me, there are roundabouts right outside the police station, and the discipline is non existent. A few cops spending a few mornings and afternoons sending the illdisciplined to the roadside and (after a suitable delay) then administering a 15min lecture would A) get the message across, B) waste their time - the usual cause of bad behaviour on the road, C) guarantee it was talked about and make people rethink their driving - or be detained similarly.
Who is going to risk being late for work over that when a left hand signal is all that is required? Ditto the lane changers and the Buffalo Gals (round the outside, round the outside) who deny those correctly using an inside lane an exit.
Repeat for fog and no lights, etc, etc, etc.
 
What Police? the HATO's that Phoney Tony thought would be an improvment - Trafpol is understaffed, underfunded and tasked with revenue generatingf tasks.

Until that balance is redressed roads will be the new wild west.

I would love to see the emphasis shift from speed to etiquette but it is unlikely to happen.


I find that the idea behind both HATOs and PCSOs ("blunkett's bobbies") is actually a very sensible one.

They are meant to be dealing with issues that do not require the same level of extensive and expensive police training that police officers undergo.

Dealing with incidents on motorways is not a simple matter by any means, but the fact it that it does require a narrower set of skills compared to the skills that a 'general purpose' police officer would posses.

It is not only more cost effective, but due to the shorter training period and relatively lower requirements in general we can have more of them.

I think that it is very similar to use of paramedics and nurses where the full range of training of a qualified doctor is not required.

On balance, if in urgent need of medical assistance I would personally prefer to have a paramedic or nurse attend immediately then queue and wait to be seen by a doctor when one becomes available.
 
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The other important image in that snap by the OP is the fact lorries can't overtake.

a lot of the autobahn is only two lanes and people pull out and move back in again. You don't get held up by one lorry doing 59.5mph trying to overtake one doing 59mph.

I'd say 80 is fine, potentially even 85 which is what I've sat at on the autobahn, doesn't feel like you are hrashing the car then but yes, lower limits in the wet.

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I find that the idea behind both HATOs and PCSOs ("blunkett's bobbies") is actually a very sensible one.

They are meant to be dealing with issues that do not require the same level of extensive and expensive police training that police officers undergo.

Dealing with incidents on motorways is not a simple matter by any means, but the fact it that it does require a narrower set of skills compared to a 'general purpose' police officer.

It is not only more cost effective, but due to the shorter training period and relatively lower requirements in general we can have more of them.

I think that it is very similar to use of paramedics and nurses where the full range of training of a qualified doctor is not required.

On balance, if in urgent need of medical assistance I would personally prefer to have a paramedic or nurse attend immediately then queue and wait to be seen by a doctor when one becomes available.

Paramedic vs Doctor is not really the same relationship as HATO vs Trafpol... HATO's are someone with a fluro jacket and a brush. They have no power to do anything. They have no effect on driving standards whatsoever...
 

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