80mph speed limits, Pah

[st4]

Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be true. If you want high speed motorways, then you better have a populace capable of using them. The one thing that predicates against this happening in the Uk is the abysmal lack of lane discipline. In my experience French lane discipline is excellent.

Mine too, but my point was that we as people are no less inferior, and are of the same species so should be capable...

Perhaps a higher speed limit would enforce peoples attention to good lane discipline.

 

[Bosco]

There is no revenue stream for the state if there are no speed limits. Simples.

 

[SavMan]

Blowouts and any mechanical breakdown are red herrings, even now these account for less than 10% of accidents involving fatalities. Almost 90% of fatal accidents on motorways are attributed to driver error and of these just over 50% have speed as a contributing factor. I drive regularly in Germany and obey speed limits where imposed and of course like some but not all drive at higher speeds when conditions are right and in areas permitted.

In 2010 Germany had almost 3 times the total number of fatal accidents as the UK and 2 times when looked at per km driven. These stats are repeated when you look at serious injury that did not result in death.

 

[st4]

There is no revenue stream for the state if there are no speed limits. Simples.

All the extra fuel being used, are you sure....

 

[markjay]

There is no revenue stream for the state if there are no speed limits. Simples.

Unless unlimited-speed motorways are all made toll-roads...

 

[st4]

Unless unlimited-speed motorways are all made toll-roads...

Birmingham needs a tourist industry, remove the limits on the toll road and it would be like when the M1 first opened, people would just want to drive to Watford Gap to experience a motorway....

Up to Brum, take your fast car, max it out. People here have cars that can do 200mph (or close to), who wouldn't want to do that....

 

[markjay]

I do think that driver mentality and cultural differences are important (in spite of the fact the Europe's motorways are open to drivers of all nationalities).

When a German driver in the outer lane sees in his rear view mirror a vehicle approaching at vast speed flashing its lights, he moved away obediently and any emotion would be limited to guilt feelings for not following the rules and being in the wrong lane at the wrong speed in the first place.

In the UK... we would move over and think 'this is rude! Why could he not ask politely?'

 

[st4]

I do think that driver mentality and cultural differences are important (in spite of the fact the Europe's motorways are open to drivers of all nationalities).

When a German driver in the outer lane sees in his rear view mirror a vehicle approaching at vast speed flashing its lights, he moved away obediently and any emotion would be limited to guilt feelings for not following the rules and being in the wrong lane at the wrong speed in the first place.

In the UK... we would move over thinking 'this is rude!'

We'd soon get over it, a waft up big fast cars fully lit up supercruising bearing down, on middle lane hog freaks would soon hit the message home that bad lane control is no longer welcome.

You often see it, middle lane freak, lane 1 is quiet, you approach in lane one, move round to three to pass and back into one, and the freak in the middle lane moves into the inside one....

 

[markjay]

We'd soon get over it, a waft up big fast cars fully lit up supercruising bearing down, on middle lane hog freaks would soon hit the message home that bad lane control is no longer welcome.

You often see it, middle lane freak, lane 1 is quiet, you approach in lane one, move round to three to pass and back into one, and the freak in the middle lane moves into the inside one....

(Apologies, I edited my post and only then noticed you have already responded to it)

 

[renault12ts]

I do think that driver mentality and cultural differences are important (in spite of the fact the Europe's motorways are open to drivers of all nationalities).

When a German driver in the outer lane sees in his rear view mirror a vehicle approaching at vast speed flashing its lights, he moved away obediently and any emotion would be limited to guilt feelings for not following the rules and being in the wrong lane at the wrong speed in the first place.

In the UK... we would move over and think 'this is rude! Why could he not ask politely?'

Similar to what I said in post#12. We get the red mist if someone wants to overtake.

 

[st4]

Similar to what I said in post#12. We get the red mist if someone wants to overtake.

What an arrogant post that stereotypes us all into one basket!!

Speak for yourself, but please do not speak for the rest of us. If someone wants to overtake me, I try and facilitate that by positioning my car in such a way to allow them to pass (two lane road) more easily....

Are you saying as a race we are less capable than others to drive a car?

 

[renault12ts]

What an arrogant post that stereotypes us all into one basket!!

Speak for yourself, but please do not speak for the rest of us. If someone wants to overtake me, I try and facilitate that by positioning my car in such a way to allow them to pass (two lane road) more easily....

Are you saying as a race we are less capable than others to drive a car?

Arrogant...steady on. I was merely agreeing with MJ...the use of the word all was not (obviously) all encompassing...but descriptive of a general attitude. As opposed to a general attitude in, say, France. Again...they don't all move over, but generally do.

It was all going so well.

 

[st4]

Arrogant...steady on. I was merely agreeing with MJ...the use of the word all was not (obviously) all encompassing...but descriptive of a general attitude. As opposed to a general attitude in, say, France. Again...they don't all move over, but generally do.

It was all going so well.

I miss read your post and its context, thank you for explaining it, but I disagree with it.

I've found people generally do move over here too.

As sited, often on an A road, you will see a slower moving car do a left signal, move over and let you through, and on a motorway, people if in the middle lane, will tend to move back to lane 1 once you pass them in lane 3 and return to lane 1.

I suspect 80mph would pose no issues at all, and higher limits on quiet sections with clear weather, again, no issue as volumes of traffic would be low.

Attitdues would be forced to change with a higher limit, our low limits have brought these lazy scruffy driving habits on. The Germans, it would be argued, might have the better lane control, because of the lack of limits forcing the issue of fast outside lane traffic onto the roads and as such, the need for very good rearward observation.

I can think of several sections of the M74 where a ton would pose no issues at certain times of day.

 

[renault12ts]

I think that if, in general, people did move over in a timely fashion, then lane discipline would not be in question...but it is.

 

[st4]

I think that if, in general, people did move over in a timely fashion, then lane discipline would not be in question...but it is.

A higher limit would ensure the timely moving over, nothing like seeing a fast car bearing down on you rather quickly to focus the need to move over nicely and promptly.

 

[renault12ts]

A higher limit would ensure the timely moving over, nothing like seeing a fast car bearing down on you rather quickly to focus the need to move over nicely and promptly.

You give too much credit to some people...do they even look in the mirror?

 

[Bellow]

What's more 'dangerous' out of these two;

Driving 30mph under the NSL on a motorway.

Or

Driving 30mph over the NSL on a motorway.

It'd be interesting to hear people's views.

Inevitably, sooner or later, the speed differential will be 60mph. Someone bearing down at 100mph while another is trying to find a way past a 40mph dawdler....The public don't as a whole have it in them to cope.

All the extra fuel being used, are you sure....

Have you considered the implications of increasing the UK's addiction and dependence on foreign oil imports? Are you prepared to put servicemen to war to secure the oil?

I think that if, in general, people did move over in a timely fashion, then lane discipline would not be in question...but it is.

That, and the hideous thinking and behaviour that some (far too many) exhibit once esconced in their cars.

 

[st4]

You give too much credit to some people...do they even look in the mirror?

Maybe

I suspect a higher speed limit might force the less able to consider being more aware and doing more, as the thought of a a 90-100 car bearing down being a normality ought to hammer the point home that rearward observation is vital and not just an optional thing to do

Naturally if there was complete carnage, the old 70limit could be re-introduced, but they should be looking to increase them to to 80 at least, and then beyond.

 

[renault12ts]

Raising the limit to 80 is under consideration. Its 75 in RoI.

 

[st4]

Inevitably, sooner or later, the speed differential will be 60mph. Someone bearing down at 100mph while another is trying to find a way past a 40mph dawdler....The public don't as a whole have it in them to cope.

it works for the Germans, why not us? People are people wherever you go.

Have you considered the implications of increasing the UK's addiction and dependence on foreign oil imports? Are you prepared to put servicemen to war to secure the oil?

Good point. However, oil can be bought, people do not need to die. Separate conversation, but a good point....

Another question, you may know, how much extra oil and fuel would be used, and would the extra revenue raised from the extra fuel being used assist other fiscal matters?

That, and the hideous thinking and behaviour that some (far too many) exhibit once esconced in their cars.

I am not the best at phrasing things, but I've been trying to put point an argument that the higher limits would force people to be more aware of their surroundings and concentrate more on, driving.....