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AC Climate control query

Mohnish

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W211 E270CDI '04
Don't know if this is the correct sub forum, but did not find an appropriate one for this query, so here goes:

My indy AC chap adviced me as follows with particular reference to Benz and in general to all vehicles that have a heater/AC unit, as compared to vehicles that were not equipped with a heater unit (as in the old days) :

In cities like Mumbai (hot/humid) when using the AC, always set the temp. to absolute cold ie. minimum temp. Do not set it midway, like 20degC or so, which is more comfortable for the occupants.

His reason: There is no thermostat to cut on/off the AC compressor to regulate temp. The temp is controlled by flaps that allow the hot / cold air to pass through as required. The heater coils and the evaporator coils are practically touching each other. When you set the temp midway, you are in actual fact allowing the heated engine water/coolant to flow through the heater coil, which results in the heater coil, which is very close to the evap coil, creating "hot spots" on the evap coil and that results in the evap coil leaking. He says that in the old days a thermostat used to cut on/off the compressor, but that is not the case anymore and the compressor cuts off only on high head pressure/icing/leaked AC gas.

I find this very hard to accept as it entirely defeats the purpose of airconditioning. Th eprpose being to get the cabin to a comfortable environment.

He states the only way to stop that is to either turn the temp to full cold or disconnect and plug the heater water pipes going to the heater coil. (The heater you do not need in cities which never go below 16degC)

Now to maintain the cabin temp. from getting too cold he says switch the AC compressor manually as desired!!!

So my query is: Does setting the temp. at a comfortable degree (which is what it is supposed to be there for!!!) result in premature failure of the evap coil?

Views please.
 
I reckon your man doesnt know what hes talking about?

Item 200 heater rad and item 230 fits into the heater case at the same angle they are pictured outside of the box so whilst the bottoms of both rads may be closish to each other i cant see that being an issue ever.

Plus we in the uk run our aircon and heaters at the same time to cut down on the condensation.

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Lynall
 
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mohnish, your car is not prone to evaporator faults - at least not in the uk! you will probably find that it has a permanently running a/c compressor (possibly the very earliest w203 models had a clutch on the compressor, i cannot remember for sure). the compressor is controled by a 'bypass' valve at the rear which regulates the compressor load. mercedes have gone to very great trouble to provide an automtically controlled cabin temperate, i suggest you set your dial wherever you feel.

furthermore, on your car the heater matrix and aircon evaporater are not next to each other - have a look here for a complete description...http://www.mercedestechstore.com/pdfs/507 Systems I/507 HO HVAC 203 & 463 (ICC) 10-30-02.pdf
 
...your man doesnt know what hes talking...
mohnish, your car is not prone to evaporator faults...

Thank you so much for clearing that up for me. Now I can, without anxiety and the feeling of 'impending doom', run the system the way its supposed to!

Forgot to mention that mine is the 2005 facelift C.
 
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I wonder if the set up is different for cars sold into hot climates? My C270CDi struggles with UK temps and humidity - I'm sure it would be hopless in India.
 
A/C,whether automatic or not or climate control is for your comfort and what would be the point if you could not regulate it to the desired temp.
System works best with correct amount of gas and if fitted with a Dust/pollen/charcoal filter make sure its clean .
 
I wonder if the set up is different for cars sold into hot climates? My C270CDi struggles with UK temps and humidity - I'm sure it would be hopless in India.

Wifes 203 climate is not as good as my 210 climate, especially initially when its bloody hot it really struggles then after a couple of miles it sort of catchs up, it has new pollen filter and i have regassed the system twice in an attempt to make it better.



Lynall
 
So my query is: Does setting the temp. at a comfortable degree (which is what it is supposed to be there for!!!) result in premature failure of the evap coil?


Absolutely NOT!...........the system is designed for you to adjust the temp at any setting you wish, with or without air conditioning..............as you say, that's what it's there for.
 
New development...

Did an oil and related Service A filters change, reset the FSS, evrything ok and then...

On the next run out, the driver side (RHD) is not cooling as much as the passenger side, like if its set at a warmer temp than the otehr side. Also hissing sound at the expansion valve...Ok, I figure the gas is low, but where did it go?

Took it to the AC chap (not the same one mentioned in post above) and he "jumps" to the conclusion that the evap coil has leaked!!! (seems to be a favourite with the AC chaps here, probably cause its an expensive repair).

I ask him "why the evap coil...it could be any other pipe / hose / joint / condensor etc etc., why the evap coil? He says, "Its very common with the W210s & W203s....I tell him, "will get back to him..."

I go to my regular AC chap (the same one mentioned in post above, who is resposible for me starting this thread) and he seems "more methodical".

He confirms the gas is low (300gms, should be 600gms) ... then he proceeds to drain the system and vaccuum it. Then checks for leaks and finds none!!! Recharges it...(its cooling fine)...and sends me on my way telling me to keep a watch over the next few days and if the leak returns then we should go about searching for the cause. So, for the next few days, fingers crossed!!! I really don't want an evap job.

His explanation: The gas probably got low over "time" and as the car was sitting (not driven tends to let out the gas) at the dealers they did not bother to check / recharge and finally it went low enough for the symptoms to manifest.

Any views, theories on this.
 
If it does fail again get them to put in some uv dye thats what we did on mine to trace the condenser rad had multiple small holes, which is a common failure on all cars not just mercs.



Lynall
 
If it does fail again get them to put in some uv dye thats what we did on mine to trace the condenser rad had multiple small holes, which is a common failure on all cars not just mercs.Lynall

Unfortunately, they do not seem to have the dye method of searching for leaks here (India). They do it with a combination of two "old" ways...

(1) Soap water on the various connectors/joints etc. and look for telltale bubbles!
(2) Charge with Nitrogen gas and listen for leaks!!!

I certainly hope if there is a leak, its not the evap coil. Reason being getting to it involves removal of the dash and the refitting is fraught with possible damage.

UPDATE:

Its been two days and so far there hasn't been any signs of AC not cooling / hissing at the expansion valve...Wait and watch, I guess!

Been wondering: On 8th Nov in the am everything was running fine. Later in the afternoon, immediately after the oil change etc. (first run out) the hissing starts and the cooling is reduced. Being a really short drive, I figure the AC may take a bit of time to cool (35decC outside).

The next day, its confirmed (as I the drive was much longer) there is a very noticeable difference in the right and left vents.

All this over a period of 24 hours...Shouldn't the problem have manifested in the last 2 days, or can a leak be so slow that it would take a week or longer to manifest?
 

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