AMG GT has arrived

[sjmaxwell]

I think I like the look of the GT better but knowing you, next month you'll be selling that and buying something else anyway!!

 

[RJ C63]

Keep the GT!

 

[stumpy1]

I have no experience of the GT other than looking at it but I have a lot of miles behind me in the FF. The Ferrari is on another planet compared to pretty much any other car you can mention and whilst under the service plan, not too expensive to run. The FF was a 300k new and it shows.

 

[stumpy1]

The ride quality in the FF is astonishingly good and will make your GT feel like a roller skate.

 

[Palmball]

I do love the FF! Have you driven one?

Not yet, but I intend to!

We all know it's not the suspension that is bugging you, transplant the m156 in to your Gt ( as fitted to the Amg Gt3 ) and your life will once again be complete.

:0)

I have three things to say to this.....

1. The GT3 will not get the 6.2. We have discussed this and you're just not hearing me

2. If pushed, I would say I prefer the 6.2

3. If pushed harder, I would also say the 4.0 is about 95% there in terms of appeal, but is 110% in terms of effectiveness. It is the more appropriate engine for a car like the GT.

Tell me which is the better looking car? GT or FF? The FF looks dated.

But as usual, you make me smile - enjoy your new home and car whatever the outcome.

S

Thanks, and I agree with your view on the looks.

Check out the YouTube channel Shmee150, he recently picked up an FF and has made many detailed videos on it.

Thanks He's certainly an enthusiastic chap isn't he!

I think I like the look of the GT better

I agree.

Keep the GT!

This may still be the outcome.

The ride quality in the FF is astonishingly good and will make your GT feel like a roller skate.

That's really good insight Stumpy, thanks. You say it rides well, but how agile does it feel? Would you say it feels like a 1900kg car? I assume refinement is beyond question?


Quite honestly though, I do prefer the looks of the GT, it's more modern and has nicer detailing. In the showroom it's obvious the AMG's driving position and seats are also much better - the Ferrari seems quite long-armed in comparison with hugely less supportive seats, but of course I am comparing it to almost perfection in this respect.

The Ferrari is VERY luxurious inside though, but again I have to say the GT is good enough to stand comparison, at least from an architectural perspective.

I've not driven one yet but I suspect the Ferrari's appeal comes from THAT engine - the AMG's is good, but not that good! Of course, still not as good as an AMG 6.2 eh Don

And whilst I can't quite work out how it could feel much better, I would hope/expect that when driving it you can FEEL some of the added cost over my GT - I guess I'm well into diminishing returns but there has to be something that makes it worth double what my GT cost new?! And finally, because it's 'that' brand I fully expect that from a financial perspective, a bottom of the market FF will depreciate less than the GT.

 

[Red C220]

If it's relevant at all, the depreciation on an FF is absurd to a degree that it makes every Mercedes ever made look like a sound financial investment.

Whilst money is and isn't an issue when it comes to your personal cars, if it costs you £5K a month in depreciation owning the thing it might take the shine off any ride quality or engine enjoyment that it may produce. Just saying, not knocking the idea.

Have you actually looked at the Mercedes S Coupe? They are quite something when it comes to performance and comfort.

 

[Deleted member 37751]

Funnily enough, I only watched the Nat Geo "Supercars" programme on the building of the FF last night and how it doesn't use a traditional transfer box for the AWD to save weight. It'll be on Sky On Demand if you haven't seen it already, I'm sure...

Even though the FF isn't one of the prettiest Ferraris made, you're into a completely different league of car and even though I'm sure the GT will be "an event" etc etc, I doubt it'd give the same feeling as getting in a Ferrari every morning; it's what childhood memories are made of.

All the best whichever route you take.

 

[The _Don]

Not yet, but I intend to! I have three things to say to this..... 1. The GT3 will not get the 6.2.

Hi mate

The Gt 3 has the 6.2 -

http://www.topgear.com/car-news/motorsport/close-merc’s-amg-gt3-racer

;0)

 

[stumpy1]

The FF is very agile for a big car thanks in part to very quick steering. The suspension is also very high tech and is as comfy as an S Class (really) on the motorway, and firm but supple in the corners. The engine is a masterpiece and the 4wd means you can deploy it anywhere. There is some debate about depreciation as the next one may not have the V12 so this could be the last of the line. As wonderful as the GT is and with no disrespect - one is a Ferrari and one isn't. That will work both way for some but I'd choose the Ferrari every time. I heard a GT running in the showroom the other day and it sounded like a wet fart compared to the V12 Ferrari.

 

[C240Sport97]

I would love a FF .. nothing like a NA V12 from Ferrari

 

[acej]

Andrew good luck with the sale. The FF's are great I have nearly gone down that route before.

Also good luck with the job (hope it's not in the purchasing dept)

Cheers

J

 

[Steveml63]

Hi,
Over here, the FF is used as a police car (only driven by female officers!)



Cheers
Steve

 

[Red C220]

I just watched this and now I want one, in exactly the same colours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWB6vTboO5I

What's interesting is the cost and financing are discussed which is unusual and refreshing.

 

[Andrew W]

This is one of my favourites and the sound is amazing , most V12 Farraris are holding or going up in value 599 Gtb

 

[Red C220]

I've always been quite keen on the 4 seater Ferraris, right back from the 400i, 412i, the 456GTA and they've always dropped obscene amounts of money, really obscene.

What makes the FF different?

Don't get me wrong I'd love one, like I'd love a Bentley V8s or Aston Martin DBS but I can't live with £50K a year depreciation as much as I love them.

 

[Palmball]

The FF is very agile for a big car thanks in part to very quick steering. The suspension is also very high tech and is as comfy as an S Class (really) on the motorway, and firm but supple in the corners. The engine is a masterpiece and the 4wd means you can deploy it anywhere. There is some debate about depreciation as the next one may not have the V12 so this could be the last of the line. As wonderful as the GT is and with no disrespect - one is a Ferrari and one isn't. That will work both way for some but I'd choose the Ferrari every time. I heard a GT running in the showroom the other day and it sounded like a wet fart compared to the V12 Ferrari.

Good insight, it does almost sound too good to be true

And behave yourself....wet fart indeed! OK, having heard the Ferrari V12 the AMG V8 is not in that league but wet fart is a bit harsh

Andrew good luck with the sale. The FF's are great I have nearly gone down that route before.

Also good luck with the job (hope it's not in the purchasing dept)

Cheers

J

Thanks buddy, as you'll have seen I'm still not sure what to do. If the numbers stack up then I'm going to drive the red one at **** Lovett on Saturday :bannana:

No the job isn't in procurement but it's a good upgrade

If it's relevant at all, the depreciation on an FF is absurd to a degree that it makes every Mercedes ever made look like a sound financial investment.

Whilst money is and isn't an issue when it comes to your personal cars, if it costs you £5K a month in depreciation owning the thing it might take the shine off any ride quality or engine enjoyment that it may produce. Just saying, not knocking the idea.

Have you actually looked at the Mercedes S Coupe? They are quite something when it comes to performance and comfort.

I have tried the S Class coupe before I bought my GT. Lovely car, but I couldn't get on with the driving position (the dials are unnaturally high, forcing the wheel into a similar situation). Also, that is a car that will, very shortly, tank in value.

The FF's future values are an interesting conundrum I have - feel free to disagree and make me think again on this, but currently I'm arguing the financial case that bought right (i.e. the cheapest FF I can get) it will lose LESS from this point on than my GT is about to. This is on the basis that it's already lost £120k+ and there will always need to be market beneath it for the likes of California (where I believe the cheapest examples are still north of £100k).

Lets face it, it'll be a car I keep for months not years, so will I be able to recoup a good chunk of the purchase price when it comes to sell? That's the key question and one I don't think anyone can answer for sure but the FF is different to it's forebears like the 456 - it's a modern generation Ferrari and they're ALL staying expensive regardless of age, it's very rare (theres only ever 3 or 4 examples under £200k) and it appears to be a really good car. It's also likely to be one of the last N/A V12 Ferrari's. I don't know - I must admit, it's a big risk

The other question is whether the cheapest FF is going to be good enough to stack up against my brand new GT From what I've seen, sat in the showroom even a cheap one can be in as-new condition but whether it drives like new is another question.

 

[Red C220]

The FF's future values are an interesting conundrum I have - feel free to disagree and make me think again on this, but currently I'm arguing the financial case that bought right (i.e. the cheapest FF I can get) it will lose LESS from this point on than my GT is about to. This is on the basis that it's already lost £120k+ and there will always need to be market beneath it for the likes of California (where I believe the cheapest examples are still north of £100k).

Lets face it, it'll be a car I keep for months not years, so will I be able to recoup a good chunk of the purchase price when it comes to sell? That's the key question and one I don't think anyone can answer for sure but the FF is different to it's forebears like the 456 - it's a modern generation Ferrari and they're ALL staying expensive regardless of age, it's very rare (theres only ever 3 or 4 examples under £200k) and it appears to be a really good car. It's also likely to be one of the last N/A V12 Ferrari's. I don't know - I must admit, it's a big risk

The FF is a millionaires/billionaires daily drive, like every 4 seater Ferrari before and every one that will follow. It's appeal is limited and despite it's numbers being limited I'm not confident it will hold it's value.

Advertised prices on Autotrader/pistonheads suggest it's still shedding in the region of £5k a month.

Sure you'll say, there's a 2011 on there at £150K.

They can ask that, but who in their right mind would pay £150k for a 2011 when they can pay similar money for a 2013 car?

An FF is something you buy because you want it and hang the cost, looking at it any other way in reality is as calculated as a punt on roulette.

I do agree with you on the S Coupe prices though, you can see them tanking on Autotrader. They are going to start becoming very appealing at £50k - £60k and 18 months old.

Being able to afford one and wanting to own one are two different things and I went though a roller coaster of this before we ordered our SL. We looked at Bentleys, Range Rovers, Porsche Cayennes and Aston Martins and in the end decided we could buy the SL outright for little more than either the Bentley or AM depreciated in their first year. At that point it looked like a bargain without really being a compromise.

It all comes down to what you're comfortable with and what you're willing to pay for what you want.

Trying to rationionalise a £150K car purchase is a bit daft when you step back and look at what you're asking. If you can afford it and you're not compromising other aspects of your life to do so then go for it.

On the flip side I have my business partner who has just leased a New VW Golf R DSG basic spec despite wanting an Audi R8. He's in a position to walk into an Audi dealer and buy a new R8 outright, in fact he could buy an new Ferrari FF outright but for some reason can't bring himself to spend more than £35k or £450 a month a car. He doesn't know why, he just can't do it and he's a real petrol head, so money isn't always the reason despite being able to afford it. You have to be comfortable with what you're doing.

Are you comfortable buying a used Ferrari FF? That's the question you need to ask.

 

[Palmball]

I've been watching FF prices for some time and have never seen a 2013 FF for anywhere near £150k. They're £15k+ more at that age.

Cheapest I've ever seen one is £145k for a 2011. Sure, it's shedding £5k per month but only from a higher price point - they're not shedding £5k per month one into the £140-150k's, where they seem to be sticking regardless of year spec and mileage.

Lots to think about, in the meantime I'm going to continue enjoying the GT

 

[BenzedUP]

On the flip side I have my business partner who has just leased a New VW Golf R DSG basic spec despite wanting an Audi R8. He's in a position to walk into an Audi dealer and buy a new R8 outright, in fact he could buy an new Ferrari FF outright but for some reason can't bring himself to spend more than £35k or £450 a month a car. He doesn't know why, he just can't do it and he's a real petrol head, so money isn't always the reason despite being able to afford it.

Make sure they put all the money in his grave when he dies.

Only live once, if you can afford it, do it.

 

[Red C220]

Make sure they put all the money in his grave when he dies.

Only live once, if you can afford it, do it.

He has kids, he's preoccupied with generating vast amounts of trust fund for them, but as he already has two houses and will inherit a couple more it seems a bit daft, but each to their own.