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C63 Vs C43 (C450AMG) 0 - 155MPH

Innovation and Mercedes are not words you normally use in the same sentence
Got to be on the wind-up surely Ian? Lifted from Wiki:

The internal combustion engine automobile was developed independently by Benz and Daimler & Maybach in 1886

Daimler invented the honeycomb radiator of the type still used on all water-cooled vehicles today

Daimler invented the float carburetor which was used until replaced by fuel injection

The "drop chassis" – the car originally designated the "Mercedes" by Daimler was also the first car with a modern configuration, having the carriage lowered and set between the front and rear wheels, with a front engine and powered rear wheels. All earlier cars were "horseless carriages", which had high centres of gravity and various engine/drive-train configurations

The first passenger road car to have brakes on all four wheels (1924)[76]
In 1936, the Mercedes-Benz 260 D was the first diesel powered passenger car.
Mercedes-Benz were the first to offer direct fuel injection on the Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing

The "safety cage" or "safety cell" construction with front and rear crumple zones was first developed by Mercedes-Benz in 1951. This is considered by many as the most important innovation in automobile construction from a safety standpoint
In 1959, Mercedes-Benz patented a device that prevents drive wheels from spinning by intervening at the engine, transmission, or brakes. In 1987, Mercedes-Benz applied its patent by introducing a traction control system that worked under both braking and acceleration
an Anti-Lock Brake system (ABS) was first offered on the W116 450SEL 6.9.

They became standard on the W126 S-Class starting production in 1979 and first sold in most markets in 1980.

Airbags were first introduced in the European market, beginning with model year 1981 S-Class.

Mercedes-Benz was the first to introduce pre-tensioners to seat belts on the 1981 S-Class. In the event of a crash, a pre-tensioner will tighten the belt instantaneously, removing any 'slack' in the belt, which prevents the occupant from jerking forward in a crash

In September 2003, Mercedes-Benz introduced the world's first seven-speed automatic transmission called '7G-Tronic'

Electronic Stability Programme (ESP), brake assist, and many other types of safety equipment were all developed, tested, and implemented into passenger cars – first – by Mercedes-Benz. Mercedes-Benz has not made a large fuss about its innovations, and has even licensed them for use by competitors – in the name of improving automobile and passenger safety. As a result, crumple zones and anti-lock brakes (ABS) are now standard on all modern vehicles.


The (W211) E320 CDI which has a variable geometry turbocharger (VGT) 3.0-litre V6 common rail diesel engine (producing 224 hp or 167 kW), set three world endurance records. It covered 100,000 miles (160,000 km) in a record time, with an average speed of 224.823 km/h (139.70 mph). Three identical cars did the endurance run (one set above record) and the other two cars set world records for time taken to cover 100,000 kilometres (62,137 mi) and 50,000 miles (80,000 km) respectively. After all three cars had completed the run, their combined distance was 300,000 miles (480,000 km) (all records were FIA approved).

Mercedes-Benz pioneered a system called Pre-Safe to detect an imminent crash – and prepares the car's safety systems to respond optimally. It also calculates the optimal braking force required to avoid an accident in emergency situations, and makes it immediately available for when the driver depresses the brake pedal. Occupants are also prepared by tightening the seat belt, closing the sunroof and windows, and moving the seats into the optimal position.
At 181 horsepower per litre, the M133 engine installed in Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG is the most powerful series production four-cylinder turbocharged motor (as of June 2013) and has one of the highest power density for a passenger vehicle.

Half a century of vehicle safety innovation helped win Mercedes-Benz the Safety Award at the 2007 What Car? Awards.
 
I'd like to see how many of the patents filed actually made it to commercialisation , how many were filed to block others and how many were invented by 3rd parties but MB was the IP owner. Will do some digging when I am back home.

Innovation and Mercedes are not words you normally use in the same sentence
Indeed, could you imagine the cost of filing all those patents and then afterwards, the cost of defending them?
 
Got to be on the wind-up surely Ian? Lifted from Wiki:

The internal combustion engine automobile was developed independently by Benz and Daimler & Maybach in 1886

Daimler invented the honeycomb radiator of the type still used on all water-cooled vehicles today

Daimler invented the float carburetor which was used until replaced by fuel injection

The "drop chassis" – the car originally designated the "Mercedes" by Daimler was also the first car with a modern configuration, having the carriage lowered and set between the front and rear wheels, with a front engine and powered rear wheels. All earlier cars were "horseless carriages", which had high centres of gravity and various engine/drive-train configurations

The first passenger road car to have brakes on all four wheels (1924)[76]
In 1936, the Mercedes-Benz 260 D was the first diesel powered passenger car.
Mercedes-Benz were the first to offer direct fuel injection on the Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing

The "safety cage" or "safety cell" construction with front and rear crumple zones was first developed by Mercedes-Benz in 1951. This is considered by many as the most important innovation in automobile construction from a safety standpoint
In 1959, Mercedes-Benz patented a device that prevents drive wheels from spinning by intervening at the engine, transmission, or brakes. In 1987, Mercedes-Benz applied its patent by introducing a traction control system that worked under both braking and acceleration
an Anti-Lock Brake system (ABS) was first offered on the W116 450SEL 6.9.

They became standard on the W126 S-Class starting production in 1979 and first sold in most markets in 1980.

Airbags were first introduced in the European market, beginning with model year 1981 S-Class.

Mercedes-Benz was the first to introduce pre-tensioners to seat belts on the 1981 S-Class. In the event of a crash, a pre-tensioner will tighten the belt instantaneously, removing any 'slack' in the belt, which prevents the occupant from jerking forward in a crash

In September 2003, Mercedes-Benz introduced the world's first seven-speed automatic transmission called '7G-Tronic'

Electronic Stability Programme (ESP), brake assist, and many other types of safety equipment were all developed, tested, and implemented into passenger cars – first – by Mercedes-Benz. Mercedes-Benz has not made a large fuss about its innovations, and has even licensed them for use by competitors – in the name of improving automobile and passenger safety. As a result, crumple zones and anti-lock brakes (ABS) are now standard on all modern vehicles.

The (W211) E320 CDI which has a variable geometry turbocharger (VGT) 3.0-litre V6 common rail diesel engine (producing 224 hp or 167 kW), set three world endurance records. It covered 100,000 miles (160,000 km) in a record time, with an average speed of 224.823 km/h (139.70 mph). Three identical cars did the endurance run (one set above record) and the other two cars set world records for time taken to cover 100,000 kilometres (62,137 mi) and 50,000 miles (80,000 km) respectively. After all three cars had completed the run, their combined distance was 300,000 miles (480,000 km) (all records were FIA approved).

Mercedes-Benz pioneered a system called Pre-Safe to detect an imminent crash – and prepares the car's safety systems to respond optimally. It also calculates the optimal braking force required to avoid an accident in emergency situations, and makes it immediately available for when the driver depresses the brake pedal. Occupants are also prepared by tightening the seat belt, closing the sunroof and windows, and moving the seats into the optimal position.
At 181 horsepower per litre, the M133 engine installed in Mercedes-Benz A45 AMG is the most powerful series production four-cylinder turbocharged motor (as of June 2013) and has one of the highest power density for a passenger vehicle.

Half a century of vehicle safety innovation helped win Mercedes-Benz the Safety Award at the 2007 What Car? Awards.

Lee

I'm talking modern so post 2000 but adressing some of the above.

7 speed box came in in 2003 but an 8 speed box was already in use in USA. 7g was not developed by MB but for MB

Variable geometry turbo and direct fuel injection was again developed FOR MB not by them.

Presafe was not an MB invention it was pioneered by an independent and adopted by several manufacturers not just MB but they could have been the first.

Dig deep and you will find MB develop very little but their partners and suppliers develop a lot which benefits MB also how many if these patents are joint IP? If the article linked above is correct the 979 patents by MB is abysmally low.
 
Indeed, could you imagine the cost of filing all those patents and then afterwards, the cost of defending them?

It's the cost of maintaining them as well if you have them filed globally. Then as you say if you have to defend them the numbers soon get scary. I'm currently defending 3 of ours in probably the most expensive countries for litigation in the world. The amount I've spent to date would make your eyes water :-(
 
It used to be said that if you want to know about the car you'll be driving in 10 years time then have a look at the latest Mercedes S class,
 
It's the cost of maintaining them as well if you have them filed globally. Then as you say if you have to defend them the numbers soon get scary. I'm currently defending 3 of ours in probably the most expensive countries for litigation in the world. The amount I've spent to date would make your eyes water :-(
I only have one patent worldwide and that cost a small fortune. I have one more on the go at the moment.
 
It used to be said that if you want to know about the car you'll be driving in 10 years time then have a look at the latest Mercedes S class,

That's kind of true. If I keep my C-class for 10 years which is the plan, then spend about the same on another of similar mileage and year as this one now, I'll be buying a 2018 car, so I'll be interested in what the new 2018 C and E are like.
 
AMG or AMG badged, whatever way you look at it the C43 is a swift car. On a wet track, I know where I'd probably put my money.

Am sure we'll see lots of direct comparisons and some surprises.
Io

Maybe this will clear the air.


For the purpose of clarity, I have just had a reply to my email to the AMG Lounge, confirming that the 43 AMG designated vehicles are eligible for membership to the AMG Lounge.

Dear Mr. Panay,

Thank you for your email.

As a Mercedes-AMG GLC 43 owner you are welcome to join the AMG Private Lounge. You can register once you have the VIN of your vehicle!
We hope you will enjoy the AMG Private Lounge!

Best regards,
Your AMG Private Lounge Team

I hope this goes some way to confirm that MB does class the 43 range of cars as AMG's
 
Polite Note/Shot Across the Bows :)
First of all, I'm gonna make it crystal clear from the outset that I'm NOT looking to re-ignite the old 'is it a real AMG' debate with this post - so can we please keep it civil and limit comments to the performance comparison between these two models.

I did contemplate not putting it in the AMG section but then Mercedes chose to rebrand the car as an AMG, so that's their call not mine.

So, with that out of the way: Here is a Youtube head-to-head between the C63 & C43 and whilst it's not very scientific, it's nice to see an 'on-road' comparison of the performance of the two vehicles, albeit in a straight line - some more scientific evaluation of dry/wet lateral g would have been interesting but isn't part of this video.

Skip to the end for the 0-155MPH, or you'll have to sit through the stupid way the driver revs the engines and some muppet baulking him on the Autobahn, which is frankly unforgivable ;)

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igDt0jPEDnY">YouTube Link</a>

SPOILER ALERT:
To me, the acceleration at legal speeds (0-100kph/0-62mph) is interesting, as despite being down on power by 109hp/130Nm the C43 manages to pace the C63 pretty well. The traction control light flickers a few times initially on the C63 - I imagine in the wet it would be a different matter.

With a few judicious mods the C43 could be one serious piece of kit: I see Babus are now selling their PowerXtra-B30 upgrade to take it to 410hp/570Nm and I'm sure there's much more this engine could give, perhaps with a change of intercooler/exhaust headers/sports cats/system - which might also improve the sound a bit, which side by side with the monstrous '63 sounds a bit.... 'wheezy' ;)

Mark :)

Another wind up thread you lot that have C43 instead of bragging about your mota a, you should really concentrate in produce some more income so you can afford a proper car...
 
C36fan said:
Another wind up thread you lot that have C43 instead of bragging about your mota a, you should really concentrate in produce some more income so you can afford a proper car...

Harsh

What about those of us that could afford one, but opted for the 43 over the 63, or could even afford a 458......

43 is my daily 60 mile commute, and perfectly competent at it too.

Do wonder what the 63 boys are so worried about, it's sits higher up the range....... yeah and?
 
Harsh

What about those of us that could afford one, but opted for the 43 over the 63, or could even afford a 458......

43 is my daily 60 mile commute, and perfectly competent at it too.

Do wonder what the 63 boys are so worried about, it's sits higher up the range....... yeah and?

One word girls enough said...
 
Another wind up thread you lot that have C43 instead of bragging about your mota a, you should really concentrate in produce some more income so you can afford a proper car...

I think that you will find that the majority of C63s are not bought outright and are on pcp or some other form of finance.

Personally, I never do anything on finance as have been brought up if you cannot afford then go without.

However, I am fortunate enough to be in a position to easily buy outright a new S63 AMG coupe or any other cars within this category if wanted to.

It's not nice to prejudge or demean people....!
 
I think that you will find that the majority of C63s are not bought outright and are on pcp or some other form of finance.

Personally, I never do anything on finance as have been brought up if you cannot afford then go without.

However, I am fortunate enough to be in a position to easily buy outright a new S63 AMG coupe or any other cars within this category if wanted to.

It's not nice to prejudge or demean people....!

So are the C43s .
 
Just to put a different slant on this lets forget about power and £ and look at how Cool these cars are. My take is that a C63/s is the equivalent of an overdeveloped body builder with a number of tattoos spread around their body trying to look good in an Italian designer suit. They never do and when strutting down the road stick out like sore thumbs for all the wrong reasons. The C43 on the other hand is more like a James Bond character wearing an Armani suit quietly confident and capable of many things including under certain conditions over shadowing Mr Muscles. That it Thread's dead (Full stop)
 
Just to put a different slant on this lets forget about power and £ and look at how Cool these cars are. My take is that a C63/s is the equivalent of an overdeveloped body builder with a number of tattoos spread around their body trying to look good in an Italian designer suit. They never do and when strutting down the road stick out like sore thumbs for all the wrong reasons. The C43 on the other hand is more like a James Bond character wearing an Armani suit quietly confident and capable of many things including under certain conditions over shadowing Mr Muscles. That it Thread's dead (Full stop)

D200 - you do talk some sh1t :D

Do tell what an E63 represents please.
 
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I yearn for the old days when any normal mortal could criticise C63s...now you have to have an AMG to do it.
 
What Developer said +1.

What a silly argument this is becoming...

I think it's fair to say that it is likely that a much higher proportion of C63 owners could afford a C43 if they wanted one, than C43 owners could afford a C63. Draw whatever conclusions you wish.
 

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