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Car Finance (HP) versus Personal Loan

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Hi

What is the best way to finance a car, via a personal loan or by car finance?

Many thanks

Tan
 
It's a depreciating asset (Generally) so it's best to buy cash.

However, apart from that if you find a decent HP deal, perhaps on an outgoing model, it might be best.


ETA- I'm sorry, it's all nonsense. Ignore my financial advice ;)
 
What is the best way to finance a car, via a personal loan or by car finance?

As you may discern from discussions there is no clear answer to this as it depends on your personal situation, the deals available, the model of vehicle, whether it is new or used, market conditions, your perception of risk, and your ability to haggle.

If you work out how much you expect to pay and how much you think the car will be worth at the end of the expected period of ownership then that gives you the base line to work out an annual or monthly cost.

Remember to include the cost of lost interest on a cash deal.

You can then try and compare methods of financing against that.
 
I don't agree. If you borrow on car finance and you can't make the payments then the car generally still belongs to the dealer who can take the car back. If you borrow from a bank on a personal loan they cannot take the car off you but may find another way of negatiating your payments. Not suggesting you can't make the payments but it is worth knowing that right up until the last payment the car can go back to the dealer.
 
there is a simple answer.

but the question to ask is, do you wish to own the car? or do you wish to have a car for a while.

If you wish to own it, cash is the cheapest way to own it. And nobody has yet, despite billions of posts, threads or otherwise, has even been able to prove this wrong.

However, fiat are running 0% a present. so if you have the cash, it may be better to finance a Fiat and keep the cash.


If on the other hand, you don't mind how long you keep the car, and don't wish to part with cash you have in the bank, as opposed to parting with cash you earn every day/week/month, then you will need to look at the car you want, the repayments you can afford, the monthly payments each different type of option costs, and the total amounts payable. and then decide.

Your car value only goes one way. So if some people convince you about the depreciation argument, you may wish to have some idea of models that depreciate less than others, so that overall, you finance the least amount possible.

So, do you want to buy a car? or do you want to own a car for a while paying per month, with a decision at the end of the term as to what you want to do with it, or do you just need a car for an set time, like 36months?

As with all things, if you borrow money, it costs, and you will need to be able to repay it. When you can't afford to repay it, they either take the car back and charge you for doing so, or they take you to court to get their money back and charge you for doing so. Not really unreasonable, as they have lent you some money, and they have charged you for doing so.

Pay cash, its yours, end of.
 
As already said, borrowing money from a bank, whether secured or not to buy the car, the car is yours to do with as you want. In todays climate, I am not sure who will be able to offer the best deal. One thing I would suggest, when I bought my estate car some eight or nine years ago, I took out an insurance, one off payment, which guaranteed the value of the car, if written off. I can't remember what the insurance is called, but it tops up your normal insurance to repay the price you paid for the car originally.
 
I prayed that the thread title was a typo. Alas it wasn't.

We've had numerous threads on before.

If "ownership" is a must then HP or cash is preferable. However if you're someone who simply must have a new car every 3 years and the p/x come value of the car is important then you're @ the mercy of glasses guide and CAP.

If you're wanting to lease then PCP is for you. PCP has the added advantage of having a gauranteed residual value, good when economic times are uncertain. However you have to be able to see a) the duration of the agreement through b) nmake sure you stay within the set milliages.
 
In todays climate, I am not sure who will be able to offer the best deal. One thing I would suggest, when I bought my estate car some eight or nine years ago, I took out an insurance, one off payment, which guaranteed the value of the car, if written off.

It's called GAP insurance.

Usually sold as part of the package along with payment protection.

It's value is usually - let's put it politely - questionable.

Dealer usually tries to do a fear sell on it. First off to claim you have to get your car written off - yes it happens - but it's not that common with higher value cars. Second off it covers the *difference* in the market value of he vehicle and whatever level you're insured at (eg. outstanding loan value, or reference to some guide/index).

That difference may be quite small and your actual likelihood of claiming might be quite small so it's up to you to judge the value of the premium you pay against it's actual value and the time duration you will be covered for.

Also if it gets lumped into the overall finance then you're paying interest on it. And also payment protection too if you have that all added in.
 
You can buy GAP much more reasonably directly, and avoid it being stuck on the finance as well.
 
It's called GAP insurance.

Usually sold as part of the package along with payment protection.

It's value is usually - let's put it politely - questionable.

Dealer usually tries to do a fear sell on it. First off to claim you have to get your car written off - yes it happens - but it's not that common with higher value cars. Second off it covers the *difference* in the market value of he vehicle and whatever level you're insured at (eg. outstanding loan value, or reference to some guide/index).

That difference may be quite small and your actual likelihood of claiming might be quite small so it's up to you to judge the value of the premium you pay against it's actual value and the time duration you will be covered for.

Also if it gets lumped into the overall finance then you're paying interest on it. And also payment protection too if you have that all added in.

There is a GAP product which is Return To Invoice (RTI) which in the event of an insurance write off bridges the gap between the amount the insurance pays out and the invoice cost of the car.

GAP from a dealer will almost certainly cost more than of bought direct.

When I was buying a new car the salesman offered me GAP insurance. I wasn’t really interested so made him an offer of less than half his quote, which was accepted. Didn’t but it anyway, but shows how much margin there was in it for the dealer.
 
there is a simple answer.

but the question to ask is, do you wish to own the car? or do you wish to have a car for a while.

If you wish to own it, cash is the cheapest way to own it. And nobody has yet, despite billions of posts, threads or otherwise, has even been able to prove this wrong.

However, fiat are running 0% a present. so if you have the cash, it may be better to finance a Fiat and keep the cash.


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Lovely. :) Notice how this posting first says it pays to pay cash. And then contradicts itself by saying that some finance deals are better than paying cash. The latter statement is correct; it does not always pay to buy for cash.

Truth is most people don't know what APR is or have a clue about how to calculate it. Take advice with great care.

Here are some points to ponder. The APR is your best guide. Never be fobbed off with 'flat rates'. The real rate you are paying is the APR and that is usually about double the 'flat rate' they like to quote you. Just ask: what is the APR.

PCP deals are often excellent. But usually only on new cars not secondhand. See MB website for current offers. Frequently you can get a bigger discount on a PCP deal than you can for cash or for HP. It may not be fair; but it is a fact. Even if you have cash, sometimes some people may find they can invest at a better rate than the APR on a PCP deal. Easy when it is at 0%. But harder now interest rates are falling and MB PCP's are at or around 5.8%. (Not impossible though. Some can invest in their business rather than using cash to buy a car; some can pay off mortgages or other debts; some -especially in recent years - have been able to find investments that paid a higher net of tax return than the interest rate on a PCP. Not so easy today.)

With a PCP you may like the fact that you get the maximum depreciation guaranteed -they give you a Guaranteed Final Value or price at which you can purchase in 3 years time.

Ideally you want a competitive price, a high GFV and a low APR.

If you want to buy, but need finance as most do, then bank loans are usually at much lower APR's than dealer Hire Purchase deals. Tesco, Direct Line, Lombard and Lloyds TSB are often pretty competitive.

Many of those who bought cars for cash two or three years ago are far worse off than those who did PCP's because secondhand values have plummetted. Those who bought have lost big time. The PCP guys have a guaranteed residual.

Worth looking at the links to other threads above; it is not that difficult to pick out the wheat from the chaff.

BTW you do not need to keep within the mileage limits on a PCP deal as some have said. All such deals show you what will be charged for excess mileage and the MB rates are remarkably low. So if you choose 10k miles per year, for example, you will be charged so many pence per mile for any miles you do over that figure. On the A180cdi Avantgarde it was 6p per mile.

There are also some tasty deals on contract hire at the moment, worth checking out.

I note that the OP is not interested in paying cash but asks: -
"What is the best way to finance a car, via a personal loan or by car finance?"

Nearly always the answer to that question is personal loans. The APR is often much lower.

BUT in recent years MB have been offering attractive PCP deals on some cars that are worth considering. I have not seen them offering any attractive HP deals.
 
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Lovely. :) Notice how this posting first says it pays to pay cash. And then contradicts itself by saying that some finance deals are better than paying cash. The latter statement is correct; it does not always pay to buy for cash.

"Better" doesn't necessarily mean cheaper. Many people would consider it better to hang on to their money, as a PCP or PCH deal allows, rather than commit their capital.

I considered it better to pay cash for my car, as it gave me certainty in uncertain times.
 
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Many of those who bought cars for cash two or three years ago are far worse off than those who did PCP's because secondhand values have plummetted. Those who bought have lost big time. The PCP guys have a guaranteed residual.


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you keep putting that, but failing to point out that those who own the car, still have it, and have no additional cost to find now, When times maybe hard for them.

still, lets not get into that nonesense about depreciation. Your point clearly establishes the best way to offer an answer here is to know if the OP wishes to own outright at the end, or is prepared to take a choice!


Lovely. :) Notice how this posting first says it pays to pay cash. And then contradicts itself by saying that some finance deals are better than paying cash. The latter statement is correct; it does not always pay to buy for cash.

Well it doesnt actually quite say what you are inferring does it?

It actually says it cheaper to buy a car cash.. If you are able to get a 0% deposit and 0% finance deal, then keeping your money in the bank will pay you interest on whatever you have, and you are not charged for interest on what you borrow. You are making that out to be finance is better than cash!

Problem is, a, you don't get £0 deposits. and you still have to find the repayments. If the 0% deal is over 12 months for example, you have to find a monthly payment that you may not be able to afford. In those circumstances, a low rate 36 x HP/LOAN or PCP will be better than a 12 x 0% deal won't it? In monthly repayments terms anyway! It also assumes that the car value is in the bank at the outset. I have never said a 0% deal, nor actually have I ever said PCP's may not be a good way to buy a car. However, they have drawbacks. one of which is making the repayments, one of which is paying more for the money you borrow, which you have in the bank, and one of which is owning the equity in the car. Which brings you back to what I first said, cash is the cheapest way to buy a car.

Of course you could always argue that you can negotiate on the lenght of term! I doubt you can over a 0%deal., Hence the part where I said it may be better to keep the cash (and earn interest on it). If its currently a 5yr 0%, its 5yrs. that means 5 years of payments. Only your circumstances will dictate whether 5 years repayments at 0% works out better than keeping cash in the bank. It would not be wise to suggest that this is beneficial for all as it may have taken the OP 10 years to save up enough for a Fiat Panda, and you are suggesting that finance is better than leaving the money in the bank. clearly under those circumstances, that would be foolish at best. It does not take into any consideration that if you pay cash up front, you can save the monthly repayments in the bank every month, where as on any finanace deal, you pay money out. 0% mean no interest. you pay out every month and keep you dosh on the bank. paying cash, you pay out upfront and fill your bank account every month. your circumstances may show that keeping your money in the bank is a good idea, as the amounts with 0%, and the repayments, and length of term, means that at the end it won't have cost you much. but its hardly likely to be as cheap as paying it up front.

But that then leads into, should they buy new, 2nd hand etc? which is a different question altogether.

And in my point, I mention a specific. FIAT. I don't know how many others are offering 0% deals, but i gues MB won't be. So that limits your type of car too. A fact clealy you have not adding into your mistaken point.

And further. before taking out 0% you would need to find whatever the deposit is! this clearly adjusts the repayments, and the benefit of keeping cash in the bank.

And although the OP did not say pay cash. it does say which is the best way to finance a car. Cash is the best as you own it from the outset and you are not in any debt to anyone from day 1. unless you think having debt is in someway beneficial?

However to answer his question better, we need to know does he want to own the car outright at the end of the term (Personnal loan, low rate finance/HP etc), does he want a choice (PCP), does he want lowest repayments and least hassle and can secure another car after a defined term (CH type arrangement/lease etc)

If he wishes to own it, he needs to work out the monthly repayments and total amount paid. This should prove which is the best today. tommorrow maybe different.

for example.

to own

car price £5. (cash, its yours)
HP 1 monthly repayment of £2, 3 of £1.5. cars yours for £6.50p
Loan. 4 monthly repayments at £1.55p car yours at £6.20p.

for the best choice

PCP. £4.98P deposit 20 monthly repayments at 1p, and GMFV £1. car yours for £6.28 or hand it back having paid £5.18.*



no ownership.

CH/Lease etc.
20 x £0.10p. total cost £2 for 20months.*
CH/Lease with full maintenance etc
20 x £0.30 total cost, £3 for 20months.*

check the mileage clause.

you can fiddle about with the figures to make them match actual deals, but that gives you a basis of total outlay. That being the money you give someone else to own, or rent, your car.

It does not take into consideration hard haggling right at the beginning, nor any money you have in the bank or part-ex, deposits etc. all of those will adjust the final amount you have to pay out.


as a point to bear in mind, in my examples above. if you earn £1 a month, the loans are not suitable. PCP and leasing are. Alos in my examples above, it maybe you can PCP a signifcantly more expensive car, for the same monthly repayments as the loan, knowing you can give it back. This means you can swan about in a car you can't afford lording it above the hoi-poloi.


it also does not take into account the issues if you default for any reason. It fair to say however, if you default on any contractual agreement, somewhere down the line you will have to pay. You may also have some early redemption clauses, some of which may be quite harsh.


I see depreciation has been mentioned so its worth bearing this in mind.

All cars lose value. it maybe the FIAT panda loses 60% of its worth in 1 year, which sounds a lot, but as you can pick a new one up for £5500, money wise, its not a huge amount.

A £30k merc may lose 25% of its value in year 1. enough to pay for the Fiat Panda outright and throw it away at the end of year, and still have a holiday.

buying a car on finance means someone has given you money, and will charge you for it, and your car may lose more value, than what you own on it, right up until the day you finish the finance term, then its yours to do as you please with. You need to calculate the various ways to buy the car, to show which amount is the least at this point. some people believe that someone else will pay for depreciation.
 
"Better" doesn't necessarily mean cheaper. Many people would consider it better to hang on to their money, as a PCP or PCH deal allows, rather than commit their capital.

I condidered it better to pay cash for my car, as it gave me certainty in uncertain times.

hell, I must learn to be more concise!!!

less is more etc.
 
Scumbag, I've read your posts and am confused. Perhaps an example would help?

I have £10,000 cash.

I see a car which costs £10,000 with a 50% deposit and zero % interest on the balance over one year. There are no other costs such as arrangement fees etc.

The price of £10,000 will not be discounted if I offer to pay £10,000 cash .

I can get 2% net interest on my cash if I invest it.

What is the cheapest way for me to own this car?
 
Scumbag, I've read your posts and am confused. Perhaps an example would help?

I have £10,000 cash.

I see a car which costs £10,000 with a 50% deposit and zero % interest on the balance over one year. There are no other costs such as arrangement fees etc.

The price of £10,000 will not be discounted if I offer to pay £10,000 cash .

I can get 2% net interest on my cash if I invest it.

What is the cheapest way for me to own this car?

do you invest the whole £10000?
 
If I pay cash for the car (£10,000) I'll have nothing left to invest.

If I take the 50% offer I'll have £5,000 to invest.
 
right, so you are going to earn £100 in the year!


I assume you can afford the £416 per month for the 12 months?
 

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