Carrotchomper gets his hands on a new M-B!!

[glojo]

Is there an answer to this one, please? Fair question.

What a can of worms?

I have a lap belt on my stretcher, but the reality is that if we had a head on collision,I would hurtle straight out of the windscreen with a chopped off nose from the lap belt?

I wonder when the first prisoner is going to sue the Police for personal injuries caused by there not being a seat belt?

John

 

[GRAV888]

I wonder when the first prisoner is going to sue the Police for personal injuries caused by there not being a seat belt?

John

At your GTG, when he takes us all for a spin in it

 

[glojo]

At your GTG, when he takes us all for a spin in it

We could at least tell him the size of engine!

John

 

[crockers]

I like the cage in the back -- ideal for keeping your beer safe..... also for carrying parrots..!!!!:bannana:

 

[GRAV888]

We could at least tell him the size of engine!

John

I was going to let CC have a go in my E55 at the GTG, but I'd better check that he has the appropriate paperwork 1st

 

[Silestanix]

It's most probably a 115CDI...They shift hard them vans.

I imagine it's the 150 bhp engine (the most powerful of the 4-cyls). The V6 isn't available with a manual gearbox.

Very similar to the ones I see in London, but they get alloys!

I was gonna say that; we got alloys on the Police vito's here in London!

CC, nice Vito you have there...Hopefully I will NEVER have the chance to have a ride in it. Saying that, nice one for posting the pics for all of us to see, it's much appreciated.

 

[glojo]

It's most probably a 115CDI...They shift hard them vans.



I was gonna say that; we got alloys on the Police vito's here in London!

CC, nice Vito you have there...Hopefully I will NEVER have the chance to have a ride in it. Saying that, nice one for posting the pics for all of us to see, it's much appreciated.

I will be impressed if it is a 115CDI

John

 

[Silestanix]

I will be impressed if it is a 115CDI

John

The Vito's here in London on Police duty are all 115CDI's; I've got a 111CDI, it's pretty gutsy and has good pace, but I reckon CC's Police Vito would be a 115CDI like the Met's and City Police's ones, because they may need the extra oomph...I could be wrong eh John.

 

[glojo]

The Vito's here in London on Police duty are all 115CDI's; I've got a 111CDI, it's pretty gutsy and has good pace, but I reckon CC's Police Vito would be a 115CDI like the Met's and City Police's ones, because they may need the extra oomph...I could be wrong eh John.

Your probably right, but in my experience Police Forces don't like giving the most powerful vehicles to the lowest qualifed drivers. Armed response units, task groups etc will no doubt use vehicles with the more powerful engines, plus the two forces that are based in our capital have far more money, manpower and resources?

The beat vehicles tend to have 'moderate' powered vehicles but the Vitoi is still a flying machine with a less powerful engine.
John

 

[Swiss Toni]

What a can of worms?


I wonder when the first prisoner is going to sue the Police for personal injuries caused by there not being a seat belt?

John

Several have, most lost, some won compensation.

 

[Carrotchomper]

Make
MERCEDES
Year of manufacture
2007
Model
VITO 111 CDI COMPACT
Engine size(CC)
2148

D'oh! Still goes alright though. There's only so much power one can put through the front wheels of a van!

 

[Carrotchomper]

Is there an answer to this one, please? Fair question.

Fair question?!

It's quite simple really, the p1ssheads that usually end up there would probably strangle themselves.

Well, it is a fair question but in general the people placed in the rear of the van are not co-operative! Seatbelts in the rear would, for the most part, not be worn voluntarily. They would also pose a risk if anyone wished to harm themselves. There is also the aspect that someone handcuffed would, in the case of a collision, not be able to release themselves.

There is minimal space to move about in the rear compartment and no sharp edges to meet so the risk of injury in an RTC is relatively low. The only real circumstance in which one would drive at speed back to custody is if they were trying to harm themselves/hit head etc in the rear- So it's a bit of a tossup really!

I think in general the risk of causing appreciable injuries to a prisoner is low, and a reasonable balance to the risks of them causing injury to self/others in other mode of transport.

 

[GRAV888]

There is also the aspect that someone handcuffed would, in the case of a collision, not be able to release themselves.

Just as long as they can't release themselves at any other time

 

[BTB 500]

D'oh! Still goes alright though. There's only so much power one can put through the front wheels of a van!

Er ... the Vito is rear wheel drive!

 

[glojo]

This seat belt thing has got me thinking.... First off, I'm of the opinion that folks that are violent and placed into the back of a 'paddy wagon' are not high up on my Christmas card list and the only reason they are in the back of these vehicles is because they are suspected of committing a criminal act and would it be fair to guess that a percentage will either be violent, or under the influence of drink or drugs (or even both?). My point though is that this week our local police force is having a crack down on children wearing seat-belts and travelling in the correct seating. Legally where do these offenders stand? I fully, totally accept the excellent points being made about either being violent, sick, or refusing to wear the belt, but surely the responsibility rests with the driver? My wife used to insist that all youngsters travelling in our vehicles wore a seat-belt, this was years before any legislation came out about rear seat passengers requiring seat belts. Can the rear cage be exempt, but then does the constabulary have a responsibility of care when they arrest anyone?

I am NOT being awkward and I'm certainly NOT on the side of the villain and hopefully prisoners are exempt from this legislation (just like police officers)

Regards
John the curious

 

[Swiss Toni]

The liability falls to the driver (because the "passenger" is not in a position to take the option), however, they have an excemption in law if they are;

"a person driving a vehicle for fire brigade or police purposes. "

(The Motor Vehicles (Wearing of Seat Belts) Regulations 1993)

So it is not the prisoner that is exempt per se, but the person who is held responsible ie the driver.



Cops have been convicted for assault for driving over speed humps too fast with prisoners in the rear of their vehicles (and rightly so!)

 

[crockers]

Legally where do these offenders stand?
Regards
John the curious

They can stand where ever they like.....:bannana:

 

[Carrotchomper]

Er ... the Vito is rear wheel drive!

Don't know if I'm going mad here. Our old 02 reg one certainly was FWD, sure this is the same?!

 

[Colin_b]

Check you aren't dr4iving backwards?

 

[glojo]

I'm thought the old V-class was front wheel drive, but this new range is I believe rear wheel drive?

Take care
John