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CLC is Axed

I've heard this a number of times, and while I don't entirely disagree I'm left wondering why the same is not said of the A or B class.

There are a number of justifications for it. In my opinion, the A and B Classes are cars in their own right (particularly the A Class, which originally was developed from scratch on its own independent platform), and they are/were built in Germany - all of which gives these cars credibility within the range, although of course the A and B both have more than their fair share of detractors.

The Sportcoupe/CLC, on the other hand, can be seen as a cynical exercise to wring some extra sales from the C Class platform, and some feel it has a strong sense of style-over-substance about it. Then there's its technical merits; a sporting version of a car would normally be positioned above the car on which it is based, and would be seen as drawing custom to the whole range through reflected glory; yet the Sportcoupe/CLC was defiantly placed below the saloon/estate models (as has been pointed out, no C55/63 versions).

That said, it wouldn't be the first car that had traded on its looks at the expense of its character/performance, but even here it somehow falls between two stools. I've never really felt that the front and back ends of the car have been properly introduced to each other, and when viewed without rose-tinted spectacles, it can be mistaken for a slightly distorted version of any number of euro-hatches - I sometimes see something of the original Citroën Xsara about it, albeit with a Mercedes-Benz front grafted on.

Then there's the build quality. Although the original article in this thread seems harshly worded, there is a feeling about the coupe that it was built down to a price, and one has to conclude that this is simply because it was. I can't speak for the CLC in this respect, but I did spend some time poring over its predecessor while I was waiting at my dealership while my car was being MoT'd one day, and it felt very mainstream. I also found that the panel attached to the back of the driver's seat started to come away as I was getting out of the back seat; not good, especially on a brand new car.

Finally, in those markets where the A and B class are not (yet) offered, it actually is MB's entry level model, whereas that role really ought to fall to the C Class saloon. One of those markets is the US, where it really is seen as the type of car that fathers buy for their teenage daughters (hence my previous "college" comment).
 
CAFE has a lot to answer for in the MB model line up.
 
Rumour has it that the new A CLASS to be jointly developed with Renault [ who do know how to make a small car economically :p ] will spawn a sports coupe derivative which will perhaps fill the MB sporty/entry level niche. :thumb: It will be FWD like the previous A and B class because its yields the highest utilisation of passenger compartment space in a small vehicle. This, and its "mass produced origins" may be enough to put some folks off but I would wait and see what they come up with. :dk: The W203 C CLASS coupe or lattery CLC was I feel a direct response to BMW's original and very successful ONE series which was simply a 3 series with a hatch instead of a boot [ and cheap rear suspension also iirc] As such it was a better looking attempt than BMW's although neither were going to win any beauty contests.:crazy:
 
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I've heard this a number of times, and while I don't entirely disagree I'm left wondering why the same is not said of the A or B class.
My thoughts exactrly, i always considered those to be the entry level type things, but to be honest there is no entry level range, merely an entry level version for the range that suites you

No loss.

Another car they should never have bothered making IMHO.
They were a little lazy with the design, without a doubt, one of the issues with the original C-Class Coupe was rear visibility, it was pointed out from day one by everybody, however they actually managed to make it worse with the CLC !
Still, it might be an update path for me as i like this style, hence what i am driving now !

Personally I don't see how a C class coupe can realistically replace a hatchback. Hatchbacks outsell saloons and coupes by miles and miles in the UK and in Europe.

And why do we need two C class coupes? Remember that the so called E class coupe is actually a C class coupe (same chassis and wheelbase).
The 2 are completely different design concepts, had the C-Class Coupe always been a sedan style coupe rather than a hatch style, i would not be driving one now, MB need a little difference in there range, and as you pointed out, this is not happening and the lines between the ranges is blurring, such as the E (read C) Class coupe you mentioned !

Personally i think it is a bad move on their part, driven stricktly from a bean counters desk, as is the Renault collaboration.... they do cheap and cheerful, and mid range, dont ask them to punch above their weight !

As for the sports versions, yes, i agree the Coupe (be it C or CLC) has always been the poor relation when it came to options such as that, and it was not through a problem with the base product, otherwise Brabus would not have made a CV8 Coupe available with a 6ltr v8 shoe-horned in it !
 
I too am nervous about the Renault tie-up. Having botched the original A Class MB, to their credit, set about sorting it out and successive versions and facelifts,the latest in 2008, have steadily made it more Mercedes-like. Many will disagree, I know, but I think the current A looks and feels like a premium product produced in Germany. Which is why I have just bought my second,before they stop making them.

I know all about the cost-pressures which are about to kill off the current A Class (it is expensive to make and does not lend itself to 'versions' or appeal sufficiently to the 'young' market) but I do like the idea that it is 100 per cent MB. I may be wrong, but I do fear that next time around something will be lost.
 
No loss.

Another car they should never have bothered making IMHO.

The original W203 C Coupe was quite a neat looking package IMO. But pricey for what was a bit more than a 2+2.

The CLC looks like something Rover would have done to tart up the 45. Trying to look more than it was.
 
Not so sure! Did Mercedes really want to enter the world of 'boy racer'? They have enough of an image problem with european taxi drivers

I kind of agree, but i think Mercedes are quite proud of their euro taxi's as it proves their robustness and bombproof build quality is still there. They even livered up one the CLK DTM race cars in to look like a euro taxi.

I think if a hot petrol c203 would have been thought out and stuck to the original target which was to be a more civilized Golf it would of done alright. I know if a C32 coupe would of been out i would of bought one because i like the idea of a fast hatch but dont like the Barryness of the S3 and R32.
 
P.s Imo VAG have aimed the S3 and R32 at the Subaru Impreza buyer. The swedes have made grown up non-Barry hot hatches, Saab 9-3 Aero/Viggen, Volvo 480 Turbo, and C30 T5.

I found a little roadtest Evo did on the C30 which shows it c203 had grown up hot hatch potential, The seem to have given it a thumbs up anyway and they used to be quite anti MB.

Mercedes-Benz C30 CDI AMG SC | evo Car Reviews | Car Reviews | evo
 
Forgive my ignorance please but being fairly new to the marque I find this confusing. What exactly was a CLC if it wasn't a C Class coupe?
 
Forgive my ignorance please but being fairly new to the marque I find this confusing. What exactly was a CLC if it wasn't a C Class coupe?

It's a C Class hatchback.
 
Forgive my ignorance please but being fairly new to the marque I find this confusing. What exactly was a CLC if it wasn't a C Class coupe?
It was the W203 C class coupe which they renamed the CLC when they grafted the "new look" W204 front on to it. To be fair there were other changes--- an improved steering rack [ from the CLK??] was one I remember, but essentially underneath it was the same car.
 
I think if a hot petrol c203 would have been thought out and stuck to the original target which was to be a more civilized Golf it would of done alright. I know if a C32 coupe would of been out i would of bought one because i like the idea of a fast hatch but dont like the Barryness of the S3 and R32.


That's why i think Brabus hit the nail on the head with the CV8, so subtly done (except maybe for the 19" wheels :rolleyes: ) .... however, the price tag made it impossible to justify i would imagine, i'd love to know how many they made, and where the nearest is to me, just so i can go take a look :D :cool:
 
The old C series coupé was quite popular in Portugal, being about 12% cheaper than the equivalent C series. I haven't seen many CLCs though. Maybe Mercedes are axing it because they can't find any logic in the model name...A CLK is a CL Kompact, as an SLK is an SL Kompact. Maybe they should have called it the CLveryK.

C30amgs are not uncommon, I think they had 231ps about 10 years ago, which was quite something
 
I'm saving for the new C-Class coupe.. my crossover days from a hatchback are some years behind me now :D
 
That's why i think Brabus hit the nail on the head with the CV8, so subtly done (except maybe for the 19" wheels :rolleyes: ) .... however, the price tag made it impossible to justify i would imagine, i'd love to know how many they made, and where the nearest is to me, just so i can go take a look :D :cool:

Im not 100% sure if it was the CV8 but i used to see a fully Brabused up C-class coupe that sounded quite beefy around a marina near where i live. even with what looked like 19's on it still looked quite subtile. I think its because with the large rear quarter panel some wheels can look a bit lost on the rear of them. I can imagine a CV8 would be alot of fun :D
 
yes i agree, anything less than 17 looks wrong/lost/orphaned/from the wrong car :p

18's I think are the sweet spot before you start heading into too low a profile tyre for regular use on todays knackered roads.

That's it, it's so subtly done you'd be hard pushed to know if it was a genuine CV8 until you popped the bonnet and .....
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mmmmmmmmmmmm :p
 
Yeah, I was hoping to catch the owner to quiz them about it and get a proper look, but every time i saw it i was always on the move :( I bet it costs a fortune but to me that is the ultimate hot hatch, It looks special but not in your face and i bet it would really upset a few supercar owners. Having said that most of what would be its rivals are all gettin close to 50k before extras now.
 
Having said that most of what would be its rivals are all gettin close to 50k before extras now.

I think the Brabus CV8 Coupe conversion was about £66,000 if you started with a minimum spec'd Coupe, load the options and i would think it would be more like 70k+ .... like i said, slightly hard to justify for a hot hatch when you consider the territory it's competing in at that price point !
That said, i did like this comment from one review i read....
Clear town, find an empty road, nail the throttle and... Oh. My. Gawd. Initially the CV8 can't use what it's got. It lunges menacingly and then hits the leash that is ESP traction control. The yellow warning triangle in the instrument pack blinks rapidly, the hardened note of the V8 momentarily softens, speed and traction build (tum-te-tum), then the full force of all 6.1 litres floods in. It's crazy, crazy power; you're slammed into the seat so hard you fear for its springs or your ribs. It also crosses your mind that if you hit a slippery patch which, contrary to its name, the ESP hasn't foreseen, you'll go wildly sideways.
 
Sorry for a bit of a delay its been a bit of a hectic few days.

Yeah, I checked out the evo review after writing my post and wasnt surprised to see it was actually alot past the 50k mark. Its a shame but i think there would of been room for an AMG tuned v6 of some sort that would sit somewhere between a 320/350 and the CV8. Really The CV8 is a league or two above its would be rival hatches. Imo its a very impressive package if it could hold ground with a Cerbera and at some point they mention it would do alright against a F360. Imo its more like a dwarf GT. I would love to see video footage of that test, It would be like watching a video of Verne Troyer chinning Vin Diesel.

I Think the passage you quoted is my favorite passage as well, it pretty much sums up what i imagine the car to be like, Subtle and sedate and then when you put your foot down there is so much power and aggression with in it. After reading that i really want one now. :D
 
I would love to see video footage of that test, It would be like watching a video of Verne Troyer chinning Vin Diesel.
:D :p hahahaha, excellent mental picture !

After reading that i really want one now. :D
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