Cruise Control & Adverse Weather Conditions

[hawk20]

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When you order a bread and cheese sandwhich some might say the cheese is free. It comes with the bread. Others might say the bread is free; it comes with the cheese. Feel free to go on with that kind of argument. In fact neither are free; they come as a package.

BUT what I am saying is that you have to pay for the sandwhich. That is the point. It is not standard. Neither the bread, nor the cheese, nor the butter is standard. You have to choose in many cafes to buy the whole sandwhich. It isn't free. It isn't standard.

Nor is cruise standard on many Mercs. It comes in an expensive package called auto and cruise.

 

[television]

Not taking sides regarding this discussion, but on Mercedes vehicles that have automatic gearboxes and not cruise control, then it is a cost option which comes with soeedtronic, option MS1 £170 and applies to the Vito, Sprinter etc.

John

In all fairness John, the commercial variants are a little different to the cars.

I have apologized for anything that I should not have said, and I will always do that, this is a respectful forum in the main. So I will exit this thread now.

 

[robert.saunders]

CC is standard on my Mundano - go figure

 

[glojo]

In all fairness John, the commercial variants are a little different to the cars.

Totally agree but hopefully it might illustrate the value that is placed on this option. I also agree it comes as part of the automatic package in the car variants and I very much doubt you could specify not having it?

John

 

[hawk20]

Totally agree but hopefully it might illustrate the value that is placed on this option. I also agree it comes as part of the automatic package in the car variants and I very much doubt you could specify not having it?

John

Quite right John. As I said, it is sadly not standard, but can be bought as part of the auto package.

 

[MBManInKen]

The argument as you well know is that MBManinKen said it was standard on most Mercs. In fact it is an option on many.

I'll say again: most Mercs sold today have CC included as standard. Indeed, probably because most Mercs sold are sold with auto boxes. The reality is still that on my auto W126, the CC was optional. Since then it has become auto on most Mercs, since most are sold with auto boxes.

To imply otherwise is simply disregarding the facts.

 

[hawk20]

I'll say again: most Mercs sold today have CC included as standard. Indeed, probably because most Mercs sold are sold with auto boxes. The reality is still that on my auto W126, the CC was optional. Since then it has become auto on most Mercs, since most are sold with auto boxes.

To imply otherwise is simply disregarding the facts.

If you rephrased to say that cruise is not standard on many models but is available as an option as part of the auto and cruise option, we could all agree. And you could go on to say that most Merc buyers choose the auto and cruise option. So it is true that most Mercs sold have cruise BUT not true that they have it "included as standard". On A's B's, many C's and some E's they have to choose the auto and cruise cost option to get it.

 

[television]

Quite right John. As I said, it is sadly not standard, but can be bought as part of the auto package.

I have left this thread Not as part of the auto package, but all

Try and order an auto without CC

Anyway, I like the MB wording best, where it says that CC is standard on cars with the auto box.

So in your words you like buying non standard cars.

 

[hawk20]

I have left this thread Not as part of the auto package, but all

Try and order an auto without CC

Anyway, I like the MB wording best, where it says that CC is standard on cars with the auto box.

So in your words you like buying non standard cars.

So not quite left then?
And still saying the cheese is free?

 

[MBManInKen]

So it is true that most Mercs sold have cruise BUT not true that they have it "included as standard".

You seem to think that if you say it often enough, we'll all believe it. Most Mercs sold do not require the buyer to pay extra for the CC.

The fact that this coincides with the fact that most are autos is merely a practical and marketing strategy IMHO.

As Malcolm, I'm now going to stop replying to that part of the discussion, as it's getting pretty ridiculous and is wasting everyone's bandwidth. I will leave the last word to you, you might even convince yourself that having the last word actually means you're right.

 

[television]

So not quite left then?
And still saying the cheese is free?

I never buy cheese rolls out, but I would look very silly if I ordered a cheese roll with no cheese, as the price list would show

Cheese rolls 50p
Ham rolls 60p
Rolls with no cheese or ham 20p-----but the price list would not say this would it,it would say;

Plain rolls 20p

 

[robert.saunders]

I like tuna rolls

 

[hawk20]

In posting 73 MBManinKen said: -

“What nonsense. On my W126 in the 80s, both were optional, and fairly pricey. On my current s-class, both are standard. I think CC is now standard on most benzes.”

Dryce replied: -
“MB's are up market. S are up market MBs.

If you want CC on mid/lower market cars then it's either not available at all or usually only on the higher equipped models.

Despite the fact that most MBs sold are auto it's an option and not standard equipment on most models.”

I agree with Dryce.

Interestingly on the A class you can choose auto and cruise as a package for £1390 or you can choose cruise only for £205.

 

[hawk20]

I never buy cheese rolls out, but I would look very silly if I ordered a cheese roll with no cheese, as the price list would show

Cheese rolls 50p
Ham rolls 60p
Rolls with no cheese or ham 20p-----but the price list would not say this would it,it would say;

Plain rolls 20p

Sadly Mercedes do not let you buy the bread and cheese separately on many models. You have to choose the auto option and that includes cruise. But on the A class and the B (Ithink) you can choose auto and cruise for £1390 or cruise alone for £205.

 

[television]

I like tuna rolls

If the Tuna roll was 50p and the cheese roll 50p, what would be the price if you ordered a cheese and tuna roll

 

[robert.saunders]

If the Tuna roll was 50p and the cheese roll 50p, what would be the price if you ordered a cheese and tuna roll

Y'see, it's stuff like this that keeps me awake at night. How does one cope with life problems such as this? Indeed, whilst on my hols last week I was sat in an eatery and the price for a tuna sandwich was £3.50 to eat in, and £2.85 to take out. YET, the tuna Panini was £4.50 to eat in but £4.00 to take out.

WHY the difference? 65p versus 50p? I don't understand it.

Anyway, I digress as is perfectly normal for me. Should MB install CC as standard on all models regardless of gearbox fitment? My Mundy is a 6-spd manual but has CC fitted, I *think* as standard on all models?

What a to-do

 

[hawk20]

Should cruise be standard on manual and autos? Not everyone wants it.
Should it be available to manual Mercedes buyers? Yes, as it is on the A and B.

But when goods are packaged together it is as foolish to argue whether it is the cruise or the auto you pay for, as it is to argue whether it is the upper or the under blade of a pair of scissors which cuts the paper. It is both.

 

[television]

Should cruise be standard on manual and autos? Not everyone wants it.
Should it be available to manual Mercedes buyers? Yes, as it is on the A and B.

But when goods are packaged together it is as foolish to argue whether it is the cruise or the auto you pay for, as it is to argue whether it is the upper or the under blade of a pair of scissors which cuts the paper. It is both.

Please not that I am not talking about CC

When things like cars are manufactured, certain things cannot be added owing to the nature and needs of other components needed to operate that thing.

You can only have Comfort seats with a certain leather option is a good example. No MB are not being awkward as I have heard said, the standard leather is just not suitable for the comfort part to work correctly. You can have exclusive leather without the comfort part.

On the 126 you could retro fit the CC, on a new car today you cant add an MB version as it uses parts of the gearbox to function they way MB intended.
It really comes down to the fact of arguing over the way its written.
Had MB said that cruise control is integral with an auto box then you would not be arguing over it.

By the way,rather than trying to buy one half of a pair of scissors, by a knife, it will work much better

 

[hawk20]

Please not that I am not talking about CC

When things like cars are manufactured, certain things cannot be added owing to the nature and needs of other components needed to operate that thing.


Had MB said that cruise control is integral with an auto box then you would not be arguing over it.

I would still be arguing that cruise is not standard on all models but is available by choosing the auto option on many Mercedes and is available on manual models of the A and B class as well as on auto models if the auto package with cruise is chosen.

 

[television]

I would still be arguing that cruise is not standard on all models but is available by choosing the auto option on many Mercedes and is available on manual models of the A and B class as well as on auto models if the auto package with cruise is chosen.

Then it all comes down as to how you choose to read the sales books. Since I would never buy a manual I look at the words "standard with auto" and move on to the next bit like Distronic