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E-Class gearbox query

Aterrasse

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Dear All

I have just bought a new 220 CDI E estate (Executive SE trim) - still to be delivered - and was wondering if it was equipped with the new 7G Trip gearbox or the older 4 speed auto. I seem to remember having read somewhere that all E Class cars had been upgraded fairly recently to the new gearbox. Is that correct?

Cheers

Alex
 
You've bought it without knowing?

If you ordered an automatic rather than a manual, it's the 7G. The four-speed hasn't been fitted since the 1990s, it's the 5-speed that went to seven in June 2011 (ref, see footnote 1)
 
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Troon said:
You've bought it without knowing?

Don't sound so shocked, Troon. :-) Arguably, if a customer is happy with the way a car, especially an automatic, feels to drive, it doesn't matter whether it has four gears, seven or seventeen.

One thing I like about the 5G box in the S211 I've gone for is the degree to which it can just be left to get on with things. A lot of the time I wouldn't know without checking the revs which gear it's in. That's probably - I've not driven one - true of the 7G too, and certainly isn't true of the six-speed Volvo auto that put us off the V70.
 
Don't sound so shocked, Troon. :-) Arguably, if a customer is happy with the way a car, especially an automatic, feels to drive, it doesn't matter whether it has four gears, seven or seventeen.

I totally agree, I'm just not the sort of person that would spend "car" money on something without knowing its basic spec first via some in-depth research.
 
It will be a seven speed


I may haver this wrong but weren't you always passionately against the the 7-g box?
I seem to remember it as one of your trademarks then this morning I read you saying it was fabulous!
 
rothbury said:
I may haver this wrong but weren't you always passionately against the the 7-g box?
I seem to remember it as one of your trademarks then this morning I read you saying it was fabulous!

If I say bad things the lynch mob pounce. Subtle sarcasm works best :)
 
If I say bad things the lynch mob pounce. Subtle sarcasm works best :)
I actually genuinely want to know the difference as I have only
had a 5 speed and my next car will probably have a 7. I have found the thread most enlightening.
 
You'll for a start get the 7g plus box, which is supposedly an improvement over the 7g box. Thats probably a bit like saying a turd after a roast beef dinner doesn't smell as bad as one after a curry, but really they both stink as they are both essentially the same, turds.

Back to back stats of cars with 5g and 7g plus (BE E/C 220 and 250cdi) reveal that the 5g cars have appreciably faster acceleration and appreciable worse fuel consumption. However, I'd rather have the faster car. I drove a BE 212 5g E220cdi and it was marvellous, fast changing, smooth, always in the right gear, and the gears were well spaced for fast driving with no interuptions/changes at the crucial 50-75mph speed range.

7g cars in my experience of owning one and driving numerous other ones, jolt, buck, change gear slower and have an annoying habit of needing a change around 70mph meaning fast A and B road driving has an interupting gear change which affects the balance of the car and its overtaking performance.

A twin turbo diesel provides a strong amount of torque from very low down in the rev range, right the way to nearly peak power. 5g makes good use of this with reasonably broadly spaced gears. 7g and its sister box, have 4 tight gears from 1 to 4, 5th will take you beyond 110mph, and 6th and 7th just for overdrive essentially.

One plus, 7g does allow very high speed gearing, over 150mph in my car, and 1800rpm at 70mph with a 39mph/1000rpm ratio. You get a whole 200rpm lower from a 7g box over a 5g box at 70mph. It does make for good MPG.

IIRC the final drive will be taller in the newer cars, so expect 1600rpm. In a 220cdi, I would envisage frequent and irritating down changes on motorways and A road driving as it struggles with any gradient presented to it. In a 5g car, you will not experience this issue and enjoy seamless and smooth comfort as well as a better performing car. PS, before the lynch mob come, I have heard somewhere of really bad jolts from a 7g plus car. Its not to late to keep your own, vastly superior car.

So in a few weeks, you can answer a question for me. Has Mercedes perfected the art of polishing a turd, or does the foul smell still linger? You tell me, I have told you my thoughts.
 
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I never had any problems with my 7-G. Found it silky smooth. Mind you I like the Volvo 6 speed on my V60 too.

Maybe I'm just easily pleased.

Just don't bring up shut off motors. :wallbash:
 
I never had any problems with my 7-G. Found it silky smooth. Mind you I like the Volvo 6 speed on my V60 too.

Maybe I'm just easily pleased.

Just don't bring up shut off motors. :wallbash:

Well in mine I have a jolt thats really bad, in others the 2 into one bucks, all of them change gear slowly and ponderously.

Everytime I have got into a 5g car, ranging from a CLS55AMG to an E220cdi, I always realise just how bad Mercedes got that box, or perhaps, just how right perhaps they got the 5g.

BMWs/Audis 6speed ZF box trounces the 7g, but MB 5g trounces that IMHO. ZF 6g cars I have owned are a BMW X5 4.4i, and I have driven the following ZF 6 speeders, Audi Q7 3.0TDi, BMW 320d, Audi S6 5.2 V10 FSi and a BMW 730D. None bar my X5 did anything bar a minor 2 into one jolt, and it was so mnor, not like the 7g windscreen headbut.

I know good and bad auto boxes :D
 
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I've driven 20-30 cars with the 7G+ box (through work) ranging from shortish round trips of 30 miles through London to 250+ miles motorway bashes and have only had the occasional "bump" through the drivetrain. Certainly no more than what I've had in 8 years of having the 5 speed box.

I know there was plenty of criticism of the original 7G box which, through my own experience plus that of about 150k miles of 7G+ ownership in my team at work, MB seem to have sorted.
 
I've experienced lots of 7g+ equipped cars over the last year and I haven't experienced anything like ***'s experience. I'm not sure why this is, though a possible explanation is that the car's I have access to are either new or up to a year old.

I'm a big fan of the 7g+ gearbox. Not only seamless shifting and always in the right gear, but the manual mode is actually worth using.
 
Peter DLM said:
I've experienced lots of 7g+ equipped cars over the last year and I haven't experienced anything like ***'s experience. I'm not sure why this is, though a possible explanation is that the car's I have access to are either new or up to a year old.

I'm a big fan of the 7g+ gearbox. Not only seamless shifting and always in the right gear, but the manual mode is actually worth using.

Has the old will it or won't it change gear after using a paddle shift fault been fixed. In a BMW or Audi you press down change or up change and that's what happens. In a 7g it takes it's time. Is 7g plus better. I'll need a shot of one but have heard of a serious thumping problem in one example. I can't recal a bucking 5g car.
 
Has the old will it or won't it change gear after using a paddle shift fault been fixed.

Nope there is still a stupid pause whilst the box decides what it would like to do.. ok it's not a long pause but long enough to affect spirited driving
 
Has the old will it or won't it change gear after using a paddle shift fault been fixed. In a BMW or Audi you press down change or up change and that's what happens. In a 7g it takes it's time. Is 7g plus better. I'll need a shot of one but have heard of a serious thumping problem in one example. I can't recal a bucking 5g car.

I've used the 7G+ on the track and the "manual" changes were fine - not as rapid a response as some more race-bred systems but quicker than a pedal and stick.
 
Manual mode superior to that of my brother's 07 S4, that's for sure. When you have full throttle applied it absolutely refuses to shift up/shortshirt and waits until the red line before changing. This is useless imho.

7g+ allows upshifts regardless of throttle position. Also downshifts quickly with a nice blip (in SL). Not as instant as a 'proper' manual paddleshift on a manual box of course, but not that far behind really.
 
Thanks you all for this comprehensive answer!

Alex
 
I may haver this wrong but weren't you always passionately against the the 7-g box?
I seem to remember it as one of your trademarks then this morning I read you saying it was fabulous!

Yes I always read his gearbox posts, with a smile :)

Splitpin
 
splitpin said:
Yes I always read his gearbox posts, with a smile :)

Splitpin

You know I am right!!!
 

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