E55k AMG On Going Project

[MoAMG]

Sorry but this thread is turning into a bit of a dream lol

I personally feel that around 600bhp (done correctly) is enough on these cars, my car run 11.53 at pod with a 1.8 60 with a 20mph headwind so it will run quicker, it also run 191 at vmax, considerably faster than any other 55k and with the smallest boost pulley you can buy, the car runs/drives like standard and more importantly is RELIABLE.

Anymore than the above is just going to be so much more effort/time/stress and COST and for what?

Just my opinion of course.

As I have said before, everyone has an opinion and is duly entitled to it; however, that doesn't make everyones opinion right.

What may seem like a dream to some, is reality for others.

I appreciate everyone's scepticism as this is something that has never been attempted before - but that doesn't make it an impossible task.

The fact that I was running over 1000bhp on a daily driven Supra also drew a bit of scepticism at first considering it was running over 3x more power than when it came out of the factory!! But it worked and it never skipped a beat!! It even gave me mid 20mpgs on the motorway!!

What I am failing to understand here is how can a 3l straight 6 (albeit mine was stroked to 3.4l) reliably produce that amount of power and a 5.4 supercharged v8 can't?!

 

[lopes80]

As I have said before, everyone has an opinion and is duly entitled to it; however, that doesn't make everyones opinion right.

What may seem like a dream to some, is reality for others.

I appreciate everyone's scepticism as this is something that has never been attempted before - but that doesn't make it an impossible task.

The fact that I was running over 1000bhp on a daily driven Supra also drew a bit of scepticism at first considering it was running over 3x more power than when it came out of the factory!! But it worked and it never skipped a beat!! It even gave me mid 20mpgs on the motorway!!

What I am failing to understand here is how can a 3l straight 6 (albeit mine was stroked to 3.4l) reliably produce that amount of power and a 5.4 supercharged v8 can't?!

You are comparing apples with oranges. 3.4ltr and a very large turbo fueling etc etc i can understand 1000bhp here but how will you get there in the E55?

The only way I see 1000hp is twin turbo set up on a built engine with aftermarket ECU, ALOT of R&D, this would be an open cheque book project id imagine and would take a loooong time, and if you can find someone to do it…

Ask ANY Mercedes tuner how many 1000bhp E55s they have built, guaranteed answer will be 0.

A FEW have tried big HP engines in the US VRP tried a 5.7 stroker failed, Exotic Metal with a built engine forged pistons etc that blew up as well.

I guess weistec has come up with something new but I can’t see how even that can get to 1000bhp, and I believe that one engine with their product (not saying that it’s a result of their product) has failed.

Good luck in whatever you do but to me its plain crazy, having built big hp cars that are " common " i know the expence and headache, I can only imagine what it will be like to try build something as specialist as this.

 

[MoAMG]

You are comparing apples with oranges. 3.4ltr and a very large turbo fueling etc etc i can understand 1000bhp here but how will you get there in the E55?

The only way I see 1000hp is twin turbo set up on a built engine with aftermarket ECU, ALOT of R&D, this would be an open cheque book project id imagine and would take a loooong time, and if you can find someone to do it…

Ask ANY Mercedes tuner how many 1000bhp E55s they have built, guaranteed answer will be 0.

A FEW have tried big HP engines in the US VRP tried a 5.7 stroker failed, Exotic Metal with a built engine forged pistons etc that blew up as well.

I guess weistec has come up with something new but I can’t see how even that can get to 1000bhp, and I believe that one engine with their product (not saying that it’s a result of their product) has failed.

Good luck in whatever you do but to me its plain crazy, having built big hp cars that are " common " i know the expence and headache, I can only imagine what it will be like to try build something as specialist as this.

I was running two turbos in a sequential set up actually - a T04z and a T51r Kai.

Am I missing something here, are you saying that the E55 with the much larger displacement (5400cc) will struggle to produce the power while the 2JZ with all of its 3400cc can easily do it?!?! LOL

There is always a first with everything.
How many Supra's in the UK are currently running over 1000bhp... Around 10. Now, how many were running over 1000bhp at the time of my build... 0.

 

[Eddie01]

We plan to use a 3.0L charger instead of the 2.1 standard unit. No nos at first.

Olly

Are the heads in stock form capable of flowing enough to support the power goal?
I assume you'll run after market upgraded valve and spring sets , maybe larger sizes to help increase CFM?
Custom cam grind too I would have thought to reach the desired RPM and flow rate?
I can't see the stock heads and valve train surviving under the amount of pressure/heat it will probably see.
Biggest issues I see with big power builds is usually the limitations of the head/heads, especially when it comes to forced induction.
On paper like many other cars 1000bhp is achievable, I see 4 cylinder engines producing 1000+bhp just requires the right combination of parts.
I imagine Mercedes have more than over engineered a lot of the parts on the E55 so cylinder support and crank support I would imagine is not required?.

I looked at CFM calculations and tried to compared the stock heads flowing boost at 21 psi @8000 rpm and it would suggest a lot of valve float for stock valve train, but after market items and a good porting job would see the heads support in excess of 1200 bhp of course my calculations could be off just from skimming the net, ultimately, I think the power goal is achievable.

 

[R120]

I say Bravo for attempting it, if for no other reason it's a fascinating project to follow in terms of what the engine is capable of.

On a side note, isn't there a 1000bhp SL doing the rounds?

 

[R120]

Or even g55 . . .

SIMPLY MOST BEAUTIFUL G-55 BRABUS YOU WILL EVER SEE!!! 1000HP - YouTube

 

[SavMan]

Or even g55 . . .

SIMPLY MOST BEAUTIFUL G-55 BRABUS YOU WILL EVER SEE!!! 1000HP - YouTube

Somehow I find that hard to believe, I would have thought if it were genuine then Kleemann would have announced it themselves.

 

[SavMan]

I say Bravo for attempting it, if for no other reason it's a fascinating project to follow in terms of what the engine is capable of.

On a side note, isn't there a 1000bhp SL doing the rounds?

An M113K powered one or are you referring to the twin turbo ones?

 

[SavMan]

I was running two turbos in a sequential set up actually - a T04z and a T51r Kai.

Am I missing something here, are you saying that the E55 with the much larger displacement (5400cc) will struggle to produce the power while the 2JZ with all of its 3400cc can easily do it?!?! LOL

There is always a first with everything.
How many Supra's in the UK are currently running over 1000bhp... Around 10. Now, how many were running over 1000bhp at the time of my build... 0.

I think the issue with this comparison is that 1000 bhp Supra's have been around for about 15 years. There are no 55K's that I know of anywhere with proven 1000 bhp anywhere right now

I still think its possible but only just, good luck with it but come on get a move on

 

[lopes80]

I was running two turbos in a sequential set up actually - a T04z and a T51r Kai.

Am I missing something here, are you saying that the E55 with the much larger displacement (5400cc) will struggle to produce the power while the 2JZ with all of its 3400cc can easily do it?!?! LOL

There is always a first with everything.
How many Supra's in the UK are currently running over 1000bhp... Around 10. Now, how many were running over 1000bhp at the time of my build... 0.

What's displacement got to do with anything? You can get 1000 bhp on stock bottom end 2jz you can even get 1000bhp from a 2ltr evo engine!

0 here in the UK maybe what about all over the world? 55k platform is 10 years old now yet no tuner to my knowledge has ever built a 1000bhp 55k, are they missing something? Demand is there, especially in the US. One guy in the Us even swapped his 55k for a twin turbo MB engine.

With all that said anything is possible, good luck to you sir, I'm out!


Ps anyone wanna buy my car?only 400 shy of 1000!

 

[MoAMG]

What's displacement got to do with anything? You can get 1000 bhp on stock bottom end 2jz you can even get 1000bhp from a 2ltr evo engine!

0 here in the UK maybe what about all over the world? 55k platform is 10 years old now yet no tuner to my knowledge has ever built a 1000bhp 55k, are they missing something? Demand is there, especially in the US. One guy in the Us even swapped his 55k for a twin turbo MB engine.

With all that said anything is possible, good luck to you sir, I'm out!

Ps anyone wanna buy my car?only 400 shy of 1000!

You can... For all of 10 seconds before it starts melting!! Lol

The same would apply to the supra then... The 2JZ has been around since '93!!! That's 20 years old!!! It's not surprising that tuning parts will be readily available, that's not to mention that the Japanese tuning market is HUGE...way bigger than the German tuning market IMHO. Therefore, the demand is much greater in that aspect.

It took tuners 5 years to get to 1000bhp on the Supra after its launch; therefore, the 55k is 5 years overdue!!

Autotrader might help with that, I don't think you'll get many people hunting for cars on this thread.

 

[PhilDR]

We have remain quiet during this thread....and ultimately we will for the most part stay out of debates...

All I will say is that we have made the client well aware of the implications and constraints in getting to the desired results..

We will keep you well informed as we go

 

[BlackC55]

Stage one complete. Will post up what we have done soon.

 

[PhilDR]

TCU and pulley and map done aswell as every concivable service item and a few others....

Car pulls like an animal ........

Bad news some idiot in an Audi Q7 drove into the back of it in stationary traffic 4hrs after Mo picked it up!

 

[SavMan]

TCU and pulley and map done aswell as every concivable service item and a few others....

Car pulls like an animal ........

Bad news some idiot in an Audi Q7 drove into the back of it in stationary traffic 4hrs after Mo picked it up!

For a moment though Mo would have had close to 1000 bhp with the additional engine in the boot

Seriously sorry to hear about the accident hopefully only minor damage but sounds like a perfect excuse for a pair of Eisenmann's and carbon diffuser.

 

[MoAMG]

Right...This post is not going to be a rant nor am I going to start pointing fingers...

The day started off really well actually, I had arranged with the guys that I would collect the car at around 5pm (albeit I was fashionably late as usual! lol)

Me and a friend of mine arrived at PCS at 5:15pm and I was happy to see that Olly had the car outside, warmed up and ready to drive away. After a brief chat with Olly we embarked on the journey back...

Now this is the fun part... I must say, the car was pulling like a train; the gear shifting was much quicker and to the point, the car was handling a lot smoother due to the service and boy oh boy was the top-end phenomenal!!

The day's turning point... At around 7:30pm I am now back on to the A406 in London, I hit a bit of traffic heading east-bound right after the Staples Corner junction, crawling at 5mph in start-stop traffic; I notice a white Audi Q7 approaching my rear end at a fair amount of speed considering the traffic... Please see the attached pictures for the end results...

His excuse... "Oh sorry, I fell asleep..."

 

[MoAMG]

One more...

 

[SavMan]

Thankfully not to bad, good luck with the repairs

 

[John]

Whiffs of "Driving without due care and attention".

Good luck getting it sorted.

I hope you issued a 600psi punch at the scene.

 

[R120]

Ouch.

On a plus side I think you can hit your HP Target - IMO the tuning scene that exists around Mercs is nothing like that around Rice Rockets, and there has never really been enough demand for a huge HP Car like the one you are doing, to warrant developing it.

Perhaps now with the second hand prices dropping rapidly we will see a growth in mega tuning.