EV Acceleration + Idiot - Experience = Dangerous?

[Deleted member 55947]

Knob in an EV would be a Knob in an ICE, same difference

 

[ChipChop]

I fail to see why EV's have to be so fast. Some have intergalactic 0-62 times, Tesla Model S for example is under 3.0 seconds FFS. !! All seems a little pointless in today's trafic/road conditions

They are just trying to save the planet quicker. Either that or consume as much electricity as they can in the shortest possible time.

Being less flip as a cyclist EV's do have an uncanny ability to materialise just behind you without you hearing them. Not good.

 

[clk320x]

@clk320x as our resident Tesla expert, would a Model Y have intervened, by braking and steering away from the hazard?

The reason that I ask is that it was genuinely miraculous that he missed the cyclist, once committed at that rate of acceleration, I’m not sure human reaction would be quick enough to get on the brakes.

Emergency brakes should kick in, but like with most aids it’s not guaranteed and the onus is on the driver at all times!

At low speeds there’s also a feature called ‘Obstacle aware acceleration’, so if a car or garage door etc etc was directly in front of the driver and you used WOT torque from the motor would be limited to a safer level!

I think more than anything the collision warning system started beeping at him and he let go of the throttle!

Info below:

Automatic Emergency Braking​

Model Y is designed to determine the distance from a detected object traveling in front of it. When a frontal collision is considered unavoidable, Automatic Emergency Braking is designed to apply the brakes to reduce the vehicle's speed and therefore, the severity of the impact. The amount of speed that is reduced depends on many factors, including driving speed and environment.
When Automatic Emergency Braking applies the brakes, the touchscreen displays a visual warning and sounds a chime. You may also notice abrupt downward movement of the brake pedal. The brake lights turn on to alert other road users that you are slowing down.

Emergency braking in progress
Automatic Emergency Braking operates only when driving between approximately 3 mph (5 km/h) and 90 mph (150 km/h).

Multi-Collision Braking​

In addition to Automatic Emergency Braking, your vehicle may apply the brakes to prevent or mitigate a subsequent impact after an initial collision if airbag deployment is detected. The brakes may be applied regardless of driving speed.

Obstacle-Aware Acceleration​

Obstacle-Aware Acceleration is designed to reduce the impact of a collision by reducing motor torque and in some cases applying the brakes, if Model Ydetects an object in its driving path. The touchscreen displays a visual warning and sounds a chime when the brakes are automatically applied. For example, Model Y, while parked in front of a closed garage door with Drive engaged, detects that you have pressed hard on the accelerator pedal. Although Model Y still accelerates and hits the garage door, the reduced torque may result in less damage.
Obstacle-Aware Acceleration is designed to operate only when all of these conditions are simultaneously met:

• Drive or Reverse is engaged.
• Model Y is stopped or traveling less than 10 mph (16 km/h).
• Model Y detects an object in its immediate driving path.

 

[BTB 500]

At low speeds there’s also a feature called ‘Obstacle aware acceleration’, so if a car or garage door etc etc was directly in front of the driver and you used WOT torque from the motor would be limited to a safer level!

As an aside our S205 C Class has a function that slows (but doesn't completely stop) the car if an obstacle is detected when pulling away from a standstill after first engaging D or R. This cuts in occasionally when driving out of the garage (I assume due to the limited clearance either side).

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Emergency brakes should kick in, but like with most aids it’s not guaranteed and the onus is on the driver at all times!

At low speeds there’s also a feature called ‘Obstacle aware acceleration’, so if a car or garage door etc etc was directly in front of the driver and you used WOT torque from the motor would be limited to a safer level!

I think more than anything the collision warning system started beeping at him and he let go of the throttle!

Info below:

Automatic Emergency Braking​

Model Y is designed to determine the distance from a detected object traveling in front of it. When a frontal collision is considered unavoidable, Automatic Emergency Braking is designed to apply the brakes to reduce the vehicle's speed and therefore, the severity of the impact. The amount of speed that is reduced depends on many factors, including driving speed and environment.
When Automatic Emergency Braking applies the brakes, the touchscreen displays a visual warning and sounds a chime. You may also notice abrupt downward movement of the brake pedal. The brake lights turn on to alert other road users that you are slowing down.

Emergency braking in progress
Automatic Emergency Braking operates only when driving between approximately 3 mph (5 km/h) and 90 mph (150 km/h).

Multi-Collision Braking​

In addition to Automatic Emergency Braking, your vehicle may apply the brakes to prevent or mitigate a subsequent impact after an initial collision if airbag deployment is detected. The brakes may be applied regardless of driving speed.

Obstacle-Aware Acceleration​

Obstacle-Aware Acceleration is designed to reduce the impact of a collision by reducing motor torque and in some cases applying the brakes, if Model Ydetects an object in its driving path. The touchscreen displays a visual warning and sounds a chime when the brakes are automatically applied. For example, Model Y, while parked in front of a closed garage door with Drive engaged, detects that you have pressed hard on the accelerator pedal. Although Model Y still accelerates and hits the garage door, the reduced torque may result in less damage.
Obstacle-Aware Acceleration is designed to operate only when all of these conditions are simultaneously met:

• Drive or Reverse is engaged.
• Model Y is stopped or traveling less than 10 mph (16 km/h).
• Model Y detects an object in its immediate driving path.

Having watched and rewatched the dashcam video footage a few times now, I’m relatively confident that the driver kept his foot flat to the floor the whole time and only backed off several seconds after he had passed the pedestrian and cyclist. ’m relatively confident that it was the Automatic Emergency Braking which intervened momentarily and saved the day.

 

[markjay]

...Being less flip as a cyclist EV's do have an uncanny ability to materialise just behind you without you hearing them. Not good.

And so do cyclists who approach you from behind while cycling on the pavement.....

 

[A.J.]

And so do cyclists who approach you from behind while cycling on the pavement.....

But a Cyclist won’t do you as much damage as an EV although granted it will still hurt.

 

[clk320x]

I fail to see why EV's have to be so fast. Some have intergalactic 0-62 times, Tesla Model S for example is under 3.0 seconds FFS. !! All seems a little pointless in today's trafic/road conditions

It’s not pointless at all.

Having fast acceleration is brilliant when overtaking, or joining on sliproads etc… blame the driver not the car…

Also you’ll find most EV owners drive normally, just because your car can go fast doesn’t mean you have to always drive it that way. I drive mine pretty sedately, at the end of the day accelerating away at every junction just causes unnecessary wear and tear on the drivetrain.

I think you’ll find the same for many (sensible) AMG drivers too - yes you have the performance and use it now and then, but a majority of the time you drive normally.

 

[markjay]

But a Cyclist won’t do you as much damage as an EV although granted it will still hurt.

Generally, no, though on occasion a collision between a cycles an a pedestrian sadly proved fatal for the latter.

BTW, I had a yound lad on a motorised scooter zoom past me on the pavement while I was walking the dog. He was quite good actually, he came very fast (and very silently) from behind and maneuvered himself just past us, though I didn't see (or hear) him coming, and so had I made a sudden move the encounter might have been quite unpleasant to one or both of us.

 

[ChipChop]

And so do cyclists who approach you from behind while cycling on the pavement.....

Not really related to my point at all but hope springs eternal that EV drivers are aware they are driving a largely silent vehicle (bar a faint hum at low city speeds) and act accordingly (be cautious) when in the vacinity of cyclists. The sound of approaching vehicles is part of a cyclists spatial awareness and EV's do not produce the familiar vehicle sounds.

 

[A.J.]

It’s not pointless at all.

Having fast acceleration is brilliant when overtaking, or joining on sliproads etc… blame the driver not the car…

Also you’ll find most EV owners drive normally, just because your car can go fast doesn’t mean you have to always drive it that way. I drive mine pretty sedately, at the end of the day accelerating away at every junction just causes unnecessary wear and tear on the drivetrain.

I think you’ll find the same for many (sensible) AMG drivers too - yes you have the performance and use it now and then, but a majority of the time you drive normally.

All I can say is that I have never felt the need for a 0-62 of less than 3 seconds. OK, as a youngster fast cars were our dream but as you mature you realise the pointlessness of it all and the danger you are presenting to other road users. My car has a 0-62 of 7.2 seconds which is ample for what I have ever needed. In the modern world there is no need for it

 

[NewbieAMG]

All I can say is that I have never felt the need for a 0-62 of less than 3 seconds. OK, as a youngster fast cars were our dream but as you mature you realise the pointlessness of it all and the danger you are presenting to other road users. My car has a 0-62 of 7.2 seconds which is ample for what I have ever needed. In the modern world there is no need for it

100% agree with you. Cars are so fast, the fun is over before you realise it even started

 

[HB]

I think that’s likely. And it is faster, he didn’t need to prove it. I think I’m just in shock that I saw what I saw. I think the car intervened and saved the last on a bike’s life.

I have experienced a Taycan Turbo S many times and it’s unbelievably fast off the mark. Leaves the M5/AMGs literally for dust.
The lower powered EVs like these Teslas are as you say replacing the C/Class/A4/3 series cars and a lot of their owners don’t realise their launch speeds. Old friend of mine went from a 520d to a dual motor model 3 and he’s scared of it !
Idiots will be idiots however no matter what machine they are in.

 

[clk320x]

All I can say is that I have never felt the need for a 0-62 of less than 3 seconds. OK, as a youngster fast cars were our dream but as you mature you realise the pointlessness of it all and the danger you are presenting to other road users. My car has a 0-62 of 7.2 seconds which is ample for what I have ever needed. In the modern world there is no need for it

The point is you don’t need to use the acceleration though, it’s there if you want it. Feel free to buy a slower EV… there’s plenty available now.

P.S. people who don’t want the performance drive Teslas in ‘chill’ mode which reduces the power.

 

[clk320x]

Old friend of mine went from a 520d to a dual motor model 3 and he’s scared of it !

Sounds like he won’t be using the acceleration

This is my point though, he realised it’s potential but I’m sure he manages to drive it sensibly.

Do make him aware he can put the car into ‘Chill’ mode which will make it a much more ‘Chilled’ drive.

 

[CoopsSA]

Was the EV driver trying to prove a point to those crossing? Actions saying that they shouldn't have left it late? Would he/she have done the same in an ICE?

 

[CoopsSA]

The point is you don’t need to use the acceleration though, it’s there if you want it. Feel free to buy a slower EV… there’s plenty available now.

P.S. people who don’t want the performance drive Teslas in ‘chill’ mode which reduces the power.

I very rarely use the acceleration (from a standstill) in my EQC; yes I use it when overtaking, joining motorways etc where it's needed, but the novelty wore off pretty quickly after getting it. It sits in ECO mode most of the time.

 

[neilrr]

For a long time, long before EVs became common, I've felt the amount of BHP & performance available in the public market needs reining in. There are loads of cars available for purchase & use on public roads which could have won Le Mans in an earlier decade. Sadly, while the power is available to anyone who can afford it, the skills required to marshal that level of performance are much rarer & if these modern high performance cars each didn't have several 'driver aids' to keep the car on the road 95% of them would have gone through a hedge backwards, or worse.

 

[SmartAmg]

It's obvious to me, he was trying to beat the Merc, he saw the 6.3 Twin Turbo badge on the side and thought I'll have him, knowing the crossing in front of the Merc would be clear first, he's shot off, and being an EV, having an AMG, is even better in his eyes, I've no doubt he would have done the same in an ICE car,
obviously a D1ckhead.

 

[G7Wagen]

Diving a powerful car fast..in the wrong place, is always the fault of the driver.. and racing others at traffic lights has been around since before 1950s NHRA drag racing.. its never the fault of the car.. just the immaturity of the driver.. he wanted to race you.

I expect the EV driver in this case is hooked on the thrill of hard acceleration.. which a first drive in a proper AMG normally elicits from its driver. "AMG bating"

I am never surprised to hear of reckless driving... which this obviously was.. obviously the thunder you get from a powerful engined car warns people ahead (and the cops) of impending doom... an EV is silent (and deadly?) one of the many downsides often ignored..
Put an idiot in a powerful car.. and whether an EV or a cheap AMG or suchlike , eventually someone will get hurt..

Big powerful 180mph motorbikes have been available cheaply for decades.

I never blame the car... just the nut behind the wheel..