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EV Acceleration + Idiot - Experience = Dangerous?

I fail to see why EV's have to be so fast. Some have intergalactic 0-62 times, Tesla Model S for example is under 3.0 seconds FFS. !! All seems a little pointless in today's trafic/road conditions :rolleyes:
I'm surprised they felt the need to built them to be so quick. Range is the number one issue with EVs and assuming that like ICE cars the harder you accelerate the more "fuel" (be it petrol or that new fangled electricity) you will use. Chopping the 0 to 60 down (or up depending how you see it!) to say 5 or 6 seconds....still quick buy most people standards....is surely going to add quite a chunk to the all important range. I bet things will change when EVs start being taxed on emission like cars....so the EVs that do more miles per KW will be taxed less....which is how it should be IMO.
 
Hi , I worked for a company in Gloucester who had an MD who was a car nut.

He had the use of a BMW M5 and both Gloucester and Cheltenham are full of speed cameras.

His favourite trick was to rev his engine at a standstill at traffic lights with a speed camera 30 metres up the road.

Gti could not resist the temptation to have a go and one guy was flashed three times.

He then wound the window down , tell the driver he has been flashed and wait for the reply.
 
I'm surprised they felt the need to built them to be so quick.
Remember that the high acceleration performance is part of the "halo" principle, just the same as a (full fat) AMG or M-Sport model, etc. The fact is, it sells metal that would otherwise be considered utilitarian and dull, and certainly not commanding of the premium price charged.
 
I'm surprised they felt the need to built them to be so quick. Range is the number one issue with EVs and assuming that like ICE cars the harder you accelerate the more "fuel" (be it petrol or that new fangled electricity) you will use. Chopping the 0 to 60 down (or up depending how you see it!) to say 5 or 6 seconds....still quick buy most people standards....is surely going to add quite a chunk to the all important range. I bet things will change when EVs start being taxed on emission like cars....so the EVs that do more miles per KW will be taxed less....which is how it should be IMO.
RFL will just tip them over the edge. A report from SKY News -

Cost of charging an electric car surges by 42% - with prices nearing the same as petrol​

An electric car driver exclusively using rapid or ultra-rapid public chargers pays around 18p per mile for electricity, compared with roughly 19p per mile for petrol and 21p per mile for diesel, according to new figures.

And that is after dismissing the devastation caused in Chile and the Congo where they Mine for the Cobalt :mad:
 
To be honest it's not limited to an EV thing, I mean look how cheap early Golf R's and A45s are. in fact you can buy a V8 Merc that'll do 60 in just over 4 seconds for not a lot of cash nowadays. Plus factor in finance opening up the car market. RRP of a car doesn't equate to the intelligence of the owner.

Very high performance has been very accessible for a while now.

I think one difference with EV's over high performance engines is the lack of noise and the instant power delivery. Which firstly can catch out pedestrians as there's no engine noise to alert you, secondly the lack of theatre doesn't give as much sensation of speed. My CLS gets to 60 as quickly as a number of quick EVs (not the fastest) but when you do you know about it. The revs build, the exhaust is loud, no such things in EVs so perhaps make drivers numb to the speeds they're doing.
 
Lots of interesting posts, thank you.

The more I’ve reflected, the more I have concluded that the the situation was enabled (not caused) by the EV, but was also saved by the EV. I’m pretty sure that the EV intervened to prevent a collision.

There are lots of quick cars around for relatively little money, however they’ll typically be nowhere near as quick of the line as a Model Y, even AMGs in perfect conditions, nevermind at a set of traffic lights.

The ease and accessibility of acceleration, and the complete lack of drama (sound or otherwise) is enough to a anaesthetise the driver’s senses, and awareness of the risk of deploying that acceleration.

I hope that the novelty wears off quickly.
 
I'm surprised they felt the need to built them to be so quick. Range is the number one issue with EVs and assuming that like ICE cars the harder you accelerate the more "fuel" (be it petrol or that new fangled electricity) you will use. Chopping the 0 to 60 down (or up depending how you see it!) to say 5 or 6 seconds....still quick buy most people standards....is surely going to add quite a chunk to the all important range. I bet things will change when EVs start being taxed on emission like cars....so the EVs that do more miles per KW will be taxed less....which is how it should be IMO.

My EQC returns around 2.5-3.0 miles per kWh on average, but if you "hoon" it round that'll dip to under 1.0 with ease o_O
 
My EQC returns around 2.5-3.0 miles per kWh on average, but if you "hoon" it round that'll dip to under 1.0 with ease o_O
What does that interpret to in old money ? :)
 
What does that interpret to in old money ? :)
Depends where you buy your electricity! For my Tesla model 3 Performance, I’d normally get about 4miles/kWh, so at my 8.5p/kWh overnight rate that’s a smidge over 2p per mile. If I drove everywhere like the OP’s subject, and pushed it down to 1 mile/kWh, then that is 8.5p per mile. If I drive in the summer when I fuel it for free off the solar panels, then it’s very cheap. If I use the most expensive rapid chargers out and about, at say 80p/kWh, then I’m looking at about 20p/mile. But I don’t do that very often, if at all.
 
RFL will just tip them over the edge. A report from SKY News -

Cost of charging an electric car surges by 42% - with prices nearing the same as petrol​

An electric car driver exclusively using rapid or ultra-rapid public chargers pays around 18p per mile for electricity, compared with roughly 19p per mile for petrol and 21p per mile for diesel, according to new figures.

And that is after dismissing the devastation caused in Chile and the Congo where they Mine for the Cobalt :mad:
No one ever said they’d be cheaper forever though, the government would never allow that. 😩

There’s less than 5% cobalt in a Tesla battery and new batteries are in development which contain zero cobalt. How about the devastation caused by oil extraction? Is there always fair and safe labour involved? 🙄🤦‍♂️

Have you given up your mobile phone, laptop, and tablet? These all have cobalt in them and the disposal and recycling of these is a far bigger concern than EV batteries… 🤣
 
That is awful. 2.5 to 3.0 on average? In the summer?
It largely depends on how you drive & the specific make/model obviously.

What is your consumption/car?
 
....an electric car driver exclusively using rapid or ultra-rapid public chargers pays around 18p per mile for electricity, compared with roughly 19p per mile for petrol and 21p per mile for diesel, according to new figures.
Not sure how that can be right....the diesel part at least.....it would only be true if the diesel car was getting the same or worse mpg than the petrol model. My 50 to the gallon ALFA is about 16 p per mile at current local prices....my wifes 32 mpg A Class costs her about 23 ppm. 21ppm for derv is only about 38mpg. Surely the average diesel car MPG is more than that....or what was the point?!!
 
Not sure how that can be right....the diesel part at least.....it would only be true if the diesel car was getting the same or worse mpg than the petrol model. My 50 to the gallon ALFA is about 16 p per mile at current local prices....my wifes 32 mpg A Class costs her about 23 ppm. 21ppm for derv is only about 38mpg. Surely the average diesel car MPG is more than that....or what was the point?!!
Just quoting a statement made by Sky TV. You would have to ask them for clarification of their findings I'm afraid. :rolleyes:
 
One thing people never consider when comparing the relative costs for ICE or electric is the cost of all the bloody coffees you'd have to buy while waiting for your car to charge. If there are two of you travelling, it could get expensive!
 
Please don’t confuse this with an anti-EV thread, because it’s not (and I’m not). Also apologies that this will be a long post, but I think the context is key.

Today I was sat first in the queue at a set of traffic lights, in the left of two lanes. To the right of me - in the second of the two lanes - pulled up a very nice Tesla Model Y.

Both lanes are narrow - and constrained by pedestrian refuges - as there’s a pedestrian crossing on both our side and the opposite side of the junction.

Whilst we waited a pedestrian crossed the road directly ahead of us, crossing from left to right, and a teenager on a bike crossed quickly behind the pedestrian.

Both pedestrian and cyclist started crossing too late as the lights turned green (for us) after they started crossing, but no doubt expected to make it across in time.

Whilst cutting it fine and very fine respectively, they would have made it across with time to spare, however the Tesla driver didn’t do what they expected.

When the lights changed to red-amber he accelerated - I would say with foot flat to the floor - and he missed the cyclist by half the width of a small miracle.

If those events were re-run one thousand times then I am sure that the cyclist would have been hit hard by a Tesla in all but one, and thankfully that’s what happened today.

The pedestrian and cyclist were in plain sight and he should have easily anticipated that they wouldn’t make it if he jumped the green light accelerated hard, but he did,

It made me wonder whether the incredible acceleration offered by relatively low-cost EVs (for the acceleration) has increased real-world risk for other road users.

Idiots and very quick cars have been around for longer than fast EVs, however the cost meant that you rarely came across an inexperienced idiot in a very quick car.

A passion for cars and very deep pockets have traditionally been required to end up with a car so quick. However in 2022, all that’s needed is a company car.

I’m not suggesting that EV drivers or company car drivers are idiots. I am suggesting that incredible acceleration is now available to people without interest nor ability.

I would say that the risk profile has changed dramatically and will catch out those drivers and other road users. I now see multiple quick EVs on every journey.

Certainly that pedestrian and cyclist didn't expect the Tesla driver to deploy maximum acceleration before the lights had turned green, and it almost cost them their lives.

I suspect that the Tesla driver was showing me how much quicker his car was than mine, but he could have been the type who accelerates hard every time due to novelty.

Am I being dramatic having witnessed a miracle, or is there something in it?
No, you are being a very responsible citizen. Just forward your Dashcam footage to the Police and get the idiot off the road.
 
I would post a
No, you are being a very responsible citizen. Just forward your Dashcam footage to the Police and get the idiot off the road.
That’s the main reason I haven’t posted the video in this thread, I haven’t decided yet whether to submit it to the Police. Once published the evidence cannot be accepted.
 
One thing people never consider when comparing the relative costs for ICE or electric is the cost of all the bloody coffees you'd have to buy while waiting for your car to charge. If there are two of you travelling, it could get expensive!
This I have to admit…

I think I’ve spent more in Starbucks and Costa than I have charging my car… 😳😴
 
I would post a

That’s the main reason I haven’t posted the video in this thread, I haven’t decided yet whether to submit it to the Police. Once published the evidence cannot be accepted.
If you have not yet decided then you are one confused individual BD.
If you were not culpable in any way then you have no decision to take.
If you were culpable in some way, then you should not have posted.
 

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