EV Acceleration + Idiot - Experience = Dangerous?

[Deleted member 126251]

How come?

Electric Aga, temperature controlled wine cellar, underfloor heating in bathrooms on all year round, electric gates, electric garage doors, massive house etc................

 

[SmartAmg]

Electric Aga, temperature controlled wine cellar, underfloor heating in bathrooms on all year round, electric gates, electric garage doors, massive house etc................

Fair enough, but still WOW!

 

[249w123]

I can’t put the argument better than Volvo and Rory Reid, a watch is recommended In summary Volvo is the only company currently producing the same model car with an ICE, Hybrid and Fully Electric drivetrain options. Not only that but in the same production line. They did “environmental” life cycle analysis & comparison that would be accepted as controlled experiment in academia.

In short, Hybrid is the way to go if you want the mileage and reasonable environmental impact. Full EV is yet to get there. ICE still trumps with range issues. If you’re really keen on saving the environment go restore an old clunker.

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[Deleted member 126251]

Fair enough, but still WOW!

Was chatting with him yesterday and we estimated that the Aga costs about £300/ month in electricity. He is actually looking at getting a new (not Aga) cooker installed. Apparently it is on a timer & is off at night but is the equivalent on having a kettle boiling continuously while it is on.

 

[markjay]

Electric Aga, temperature controlled wine cellar, underfloor heating in bathrooms on all year round, electric gates, electric garage doors, massive house etc................

Your son has a senior position, and presumanly he is a high-earner where time is more important for him than money. That's great, and you can be rightly proud of him.

That been said, I suspect that the majority of the population are not as fortunate as he is.

There will always be specific examples of use profiles where an ICE car provides a better solution all around than an EV. But we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that these cases do not really represent the majority of the motorists population.

 

[Mactech]

Electric Aga, temperature controlled wine cellar, underfloor heating in bathrooms on all year round, electric gates, electric garage doors, massive house etc................

I can vouch for the running costs of an electric Aga!
Having had an oil Aga for 25 years I Norfolk, it was a 'must have' when I refurbished our Georgian 'draughty castle' in 2015. Due the location against a non outdoor wall, and the fact that the Ago dealer had a heavily discounted electric model, we went electric.


The fact that it kept the whole house 'aired' was a clue to it's efficiency...
It also ensured that the house (as a whole) was averaging 37kw/hrs per day to run.
We left the wonderful 3/4 tonne of warm cast iron to the delight of the new owners 2 years ago and assumed ownership of our eco house using just 7kw/hrs.....but generating about 10....

 

[BTB 500]

We have a gas Rayburn (Aga), which provides hot water as well as the ovens/hotplates. They were really intended to be left running all the time (like the original solid fuel ones) - the ovens take ages to heat up otherwise. Luckily we have a conventional 4-ring gas hob as well and tend to use that for most cooking. The boiler uses a separate burner too, so that runs on a conventional central heating/hot water programmer. So all in all it's not too bad.

 

[Deleted member 126251]

I can vouch for the running costs of an electric Aga!
Having had an oil Aga for 25 years I Norfolk, it was a 'must have' when I refurbished our Georgian 'draughty castle' in 2015. Due the location against a non outdoor wall, and the fact that the Ago dealer had a heavily discounted electric model, we went electric.

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The fact that it kept the whole house 'aired' was a clue to it's efficiency...
It also ensured that the house (as a whole) was averaging 37kw/hrs per day to run.
We left the wonderful 3/4 tonne of warm cast iron to the delight of the new owners 2 years ago and assumed ownership of our eco house using just 7kw/hrs.....but generating about 10....

He is looking at putting in solar (with a battery bank) just to run the AGA.

Not sure which model he has but it is massive (IIRC he was saying 1.5m across). In summer their family / kitchen room is unpleasantly hot (and it is a big space).

I remember that we had one when I was a kid (anthracite IIRC).

In winter my mother would get out her massive pot (at least 2’ tall and about 18” across. Vegetable soup would be made (supplemented with beef shin), it would be regularly topped up, never came off the AGA and we’d eat soup all winter. To this day I would never ask for or order soup however, I still do love marrow which came from the shin bones.

 

[Deleted member 126251]

Your son has a senior position, and presumanly he is a high-earner where time is more important for him than money. That's great, and you can be rightly proud of him.

That been said, I suspect that the majority of the population are not as fortunate as he is.

There will always be specific examples of use profiles where an ICE car provides a better solution all around than an EV. But we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that these cases do not really represent the majority of the motorists population.

I’m not as fortunate as he is and yes I agree with you that most people aren’t.

However, my inital comments were about the irony that he was buying an electric car but would have to use ICE to do long trips. Someone suggested he should spend time en route charging the EV and I explained why it was not an optimal solution for him.

 

[JHS]

I understand that EVs cannot tow? If so, what on earth will caravanners do?

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I understand that EVs cannot tow? If so, what on earth will caravanners do?

I’ve see a Tesla Model X towing on the motorway, that was some years ago.

Model X Owner's Manual | Tesla

Learn how to safely use your vehicle to carry accessories and tow a trailer.

www.tesla.com

 

[PXW]

I’ve see a Tesla Model X towing on the motorway, that was some years ago.

Model X Owner's Manual | Tesla

Learn how to safely use your vehicle to carry accessories and tow a trailer.

www.tesla.com

Yes, a number of people on the Tesla forums tow caravans. It brings the range down a fair bit, as you might imagine, but it’s doable. Other Tesla models can also tow - eg 3, or Y - but iirc you need to specify the towing equipment at time of purchase (ie factory fit) or it isn’t type approved.

From what I’ve read, the majority of Model 3 tow bars never meet a trailer, but are used as bike rack carriers.

 

[BTB 500]

I understand that EVs cannot tow? If so, what on earth will caravanners do?

As above some can, but it drastically reduces the range. Likely to be practical issues using public charging points en route with a caravan on the back, and you'd need charging to be available at your destination. I believe many sites only provide a 10A supply ... the places we go to generally don't have mains available at all.

 

[JHS]

As above some can, but it drastically reduces the range. Likely to be practical issues using public charging points en route with a caravan on the back, and you'd need charging to be available at your destination. I believe many sites only provide a 10A supply ... the places we go to generally don't have mains available at all.

Not much good for off grid caravanning then. I am sure that they will solve the problems before Armageddon day.

 

[BTB 500]

Not much good for off grid caravanning then. I am sure that they will solve the problems before Armageddon day.

We have 3 people and 9 dogs to transport, so tow a caravan (to competitions) with the Vito. Electric vans are already pretty dismal on range even without towing - the very latest eVito is only '160-162' miles WLTP. That would probably be under 100 miles towing, so it's not happening for us any time soon. Oh and the basic e-Vito costs over £56k ... over £60k if you want metallic paint, fog lights, alloys and parking sensors. That's before adding any options.

 

[ALFAitalia]

I have quite a few customers towing with EVs without issue....so its possible. I also have more than ever towing with petrol powered cars....20 years ago we only used to get the odd V8 Rangie (with owners, with more money than sense) towing under petrol power......Lots shying away from derv now.

 

[Deleted member 126251]

Not much good for off grid caravanning then. I am sure that they will solve the problems before Armageddon day.

What is off grid caravanning in the UK? Not exactly like you are away from a corner shop 10min away. In Oz it was a 1/2 day drive at least.

 

[JHS]

What is off grid caravanning in the UK? Not exactly like you are away from a corner shop 10min away. In Oz it was a 1/2 day drive at least.

Off grid is exactly that, no access to electric hook up, so no use towing with an EV. Has nothing to do with corner shops, pubs and petrol stations.

 

[Tonygw]

EV range isnt an issue 200-300 miles is enough. It's the refueling time.

My Diesel gets me 500 miles for 4 minutes of refueling.

And EV gets up to 300miles, for between 30mins - 2 hours (Depending on the charger and if it works) Longer on a home charger. Perfect for those with busy lives .. Not

Lifes too short to be spent charging your car, I wonder how many hours, days, weeks, months it would equate to over say a 3 year ownership of an EV was spent waiting for it to charge.

And the if the design a 1000-mile battery .. Wow that will take many, many hours to fully charge.

I struggle to see how Battery power is the future? If it is maybe we need to make days 28 hours long, not 24hours?

 

[sgregory124]

And EV gets up to 300miles, for between 30mins - 2 hours (Depending on the charger and if it works) Longer on a home charger. Perfect for those with busy lives .. Not

Totally agree. But remember, it's fine! - "Just go for a coffee......", the oft used mantra repeated up and down the land my EVangelists.

Makes me laugh that one, if i'm driving to the Alps (~700 miles from home for me door to door), the last thing I want to do is stop every 200-300 miles for more than a few minutes doing anything. Call me old fashioned but I like to reach my destinations in a reasonable amount of time, not spend the first day of my holiday touring motorway service stations waiting for my car to charge.