EV Acceleration + Idiot - Experience = Dangerous?

[Deleted member 126251]

Obviously, what I meant to say was that when it comes to customers' considerations, some will be OK with the range but will find the EV unaffordable, while some will be able to afford it but still won't buy an EV because the range is insufficient for their needs.

I knew a chap once who's job was to set-up new retail outlets for a UK national chain, he did 40,000 miles a year in his private car (a Volvo) against mileage allowance, I can't imagine anyone doing a similar job while driving an EV... not yet, anyway.

I think I mentioned it here.

My son is waiting for a Taycan (ordered last year) but he will have to use their oil burner Q8 to do long trips (which he does monthly to their subsidiaries) because the Taycan does not have the range.

I’d have taken a different route but with the tax cuts for an EV he gets to spend most of his (driving) time in a Porsche (family sized) instead of his E53 AMG or whatever alternative.

However, wifey is not complaining about doing the school run in a Porsche when he uses the Q8 .

 

[markjay]

I think I mentioned it here.

My son is waiting for a Taycan (ordered last year) but he will have to use their oil burner Q8 to do long trips (which he does monthly to their subsidiaries) because the Taycan does not have the range.

I’d have taken a different route but with the tax cuts for an EV he gets to spend most of his (driving) time in a Porsche (family sized) instead of his E53 AMG or whatever alternative.

However, wifey is not complaining about doing the school run in a Porsche when he uses the Q8 .

On a general note, for families who have two cars anyway, having one EV and one ICE could be the best solution, with the EV used for cheap motoring when range isn't an issue and the ICE car used for any 200+ miles journeys that may be needed from time to time.

 

[E55BOF]

Absolutely, EVs are not the best mode of transport unless your only in a city centre and dont do a lot of miles.

Fixed that for you

Actually, styling and interior aside, a modern EV would be fine for me much of the time, low running costs and all, though it will be interesting to see how the situation changes once governments need to recoup lost fossil fuel revenue by imposing some sort of mileage charge on EVs too. I wouldn't be suprised if a halfway house like the annual tax on ICE cars was to be imposed on EVs quite soon.

The problem arises when I want to go both far and (fairly) fast at the same time...

 

[ALFAitalia]

I knew a chap once who's job was to set-up new retail outlets for a UK national chain, he did 40,000 miles a year in his private car (a Volvo) against mileage allowance, I can't imagine anyone doing a similar job while driving an EV... not yet, anyway.

Why not?....at a average of 235 working days a year that's only about 170 miles per day....easily within range of most EVs.....so he will mostly only ever be charging at home overnight.

 

[BTB 500]

Why not?....at a average of 235 working days a year that's only about 170 miles per day....easily within range of most EVs.....so he will mostly only ever be charging at home overnight.

Not if he was averaging a couple of 425 mile round trips a week rather than five 170 mile ones.

 

[markjay]

Why not?....at a average of 235 working days a year that's only about 170 miles per day....easily within range of most EVs.....so he will mostly only ever be charging at home overnight.

His employer didn't open 235 new retail sites each year....

I'm guessing that it was a fewer number of longer journeys, given that the HQ was based in London, and some of the retail sites were in Scotland and NI.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

So, “winter drawers on….”

What happens when inexperienced drivers accelerate hard in cold and wet conditions?

Their stability software and winter tyres save them from embarrassment?

 

[JHS]

z

 

[sgregory124]

Surely now the real focus should be on the fact that EV drivers are all going to be taxed from April 2025? Hearing that made my day today

 

[clk320x]

Surely now the real focus should be on the fact that EV drivers are all going to be taxed from April 2025? Hearing that made my day today

You must have quite a boring life if that makes your day!

We were all expecting it - it was inevitable. The only difference is others have enjoyed years of tax free motoring and when you are forced into switching you’ll be paying tax from the very start.

 

[sgregory124]

You must have quite a boring life if that makes your day!

We were all expecting it - it was inevitable. The only difference is others have enjoyed years of tax free motoring and when you are forced into switching you’ll be paying tax from the very start.

My life is far from boring, thanks for your concern though.

Why would it bother me having to pay tax from the start if I switch to an EV? It’s not like I’m not paying now is it?

Difference is I get to drive a great car with more than a modicum of character for that tax, instead of a soulless box - but let’s not go there eh?

 

[markjay]

z

Putin supporter!!!!!

 

[clk320x]

Difference is I get to drive a great car with more than a modicum of character for that tax, instead of a soulless box - but let’s not go there eh?

Steam trains had more character than modern ones, doesn’t mean they were better.

Jokes aside, I love performance cars and especially V8s… but I also feel that for the vast majority of people an EV makes total sense and can impact our towns and cities air qualities positively. People are quick to put them down, but for someone doing 8k miles a year (which is the average U.K. driver) an EV makes total sense.

Obviously I’m not trying to convince you to switch, tbh I probably wouldn’t have originally switched myself originally if not for the monetary advantages, but having driven and got used to one now I would never go back. Especially with the zero tailpipe emissions, walking around cities like London it’s horrid standing behind idling diesel engines… petrol not so bad…but the future is definitely looking like EV.

 

[clk320x]

Surely now the real focus should be on the fact that EV drivers are all going to be taxed from April 2025? Hearing that made my day today

My life is far from boring, thanks for your concern though.

Why would it bother me having to pay tax from the start if I switch to an EV? It’s not like I’m not paying now is it?

It’s just seems odd to be happy that the number of people who are (subjectively) doing the right thing switching to EVs will be lessened by the drop in monetary advantages promoting the transition. The more that switch the better for air quality in big cities in particular. The grid gets cleaner and cleaner over time so the ‘fuel’ powering these cars only gets less damaging.

 

[JHS]

Putin supporter!!!!!

Finger poking problems!

 

[ALFAitalia]

It’s just seems odd to be happy that the number of people who are (subjectively) doing the right thing switching to EVs will be lessened by the drop in monetary advantages promoting the transition. The more that switch the better for air quality in big cities in particular. The grid gets cleaner and cleaner over time so the ‘fuel’ powering these cars only gets less damaging.

But at the moment in the UK the average EV has to do about 60k miles just to break even with an ICE powered one as far as CO is concerned (if you take production and fueling them into account).....and as much as better city air quality is a bonus the main reason for going EV was climate change.....something they wont help until they are about 7 or 8 years old for the average miles motorist. Sure it will get better as we get more renewable power and the new nuclear power stations come on line.....but at the moment anyone who thinks they are making a difference to the global CO emissions and climate is just kidding themselves.

 

[clk320x]

But at the moment in the UK the average EV has to do about 60k miles just to break even with an ICE powered one as far as CO is concerned (if you take production and fueling them into account).....and as much as better city air quality is a bonus the main reason for going EV was climate change.....something they wont help until they are about 7 or 8 years old for the average miles motorist. Sure it will get better as we get more renewable power and the new nuclear power stations come on line.....but at the moment anyone who thinks they are making a difference to the global CO emissions and climate is just kidding themselves.

How many years does it take to ‘break even’ with CO2 produced by the ‘production & fuelling’ of ICE cars? That’s right… infinite!

Of course, us switching to EV in the U.K. won’t make a dent in worldwide CO2 production until other countries take action…

 

[markjay]

There has been covered before. E.g. (from 2006):

Jeep Wrangler: Is this the greenest car on sale?

Could a sports utility vehicle be greener than a hybrid car? By Sean O'Grady

www.independent.co.uk

The ancient Jeep Wrangler was still being made using simple metal processing technics and had far less 'clever' stuff involving polymers and other complex materials etc. And, it wasn't really very popular in continents far-away from where it was being built.

The main point about EVs is that they improve air quality and eliminate harmful exhaust gas emissions by moving the air pollution away from city centres, which is where the vast majority of the population work and live (and send their kids to school). The other point is that in future, potentially greener ways of mass-producing electricity will be found.

But, ultimately, EVs are still 'cars' - they take the same road space, cause the same amount of congestion, and are responsible for their fair share of road deaths and injuries. And, of course, they cause pollution in very many ways by the very nature of having to build a car and then ship it halfway across the world.

The answer? Use Public Transport. No amount of 'greenery' will make two-cars-per-family-for-everyone-on-the-planet a viable solution.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

But at the moment in the UK the average EV has to do about 60k miles just to break even with an ICE powered one as far as CO is concerned (if you take production and fueling them into account).....and as much as better city air quality is a bonus the main reason for going EV was climate change.....something they wont help until they are about 7 or 8 years old for the average miles motorist. Sure it will get better as we get more renewable power and the new nuclear power stations come on line.....but at the moment anyone who thinks they are making a difference to the global CO emissions and climate is just kidding themselves.

Local emissions are the where the advantage is over ICE, rather than CO2.

 

[clk320x]

Local emissions are the where the advantage is over ICE, rather than CO2.

Particularly NOx & diesel particulates!