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It's difficult to take out someone who's behind you.


No it's not....cast your mind back to Belgium Spa 1998, David Coulthard leading Michael Schumacher...Schumacher drove straight into him when Coulthard 'slowed down' to let him past....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DBkNDGAgo8

Hamilton should win, he isn't up against Raikonnen this year....Raikonnen was phenomenal last year, there was no stopping him ! Massa is not the same danger.

talbir
 
What I'd like to see is Kimi mess up his braking into turn one and take out Massa.

Whilst that may be wishful thinking, it's not beyond the realms of possibility, as we all know that red cars are VERY prone to torpedoing the championship potentials from other teams if they try overtaking. So maybe the red cars might instinctively take out any overtaking car?
 
What I'd like to see is Kimi mess up his braking into turn one and take out Massa.

Whilst that may be wishful thinking, it's not beyond the realms of possibility, as we all know that red cars are VERY prone to torpedoing the championship potentials from other teams if they try overtaking. So maybe the red cars might instinctively take out any overtaking car?


I don't recall Kimi or Massa taking out anyone last year when Kimi stormed to the title in the last race....at Brazil, with a seven point deficit to Hamilton.....Kimi beat him fair and square.

We are in the same situation as last year, Ferrari didn't play it dirty last time, why would they now ?

talbir
 
I was referring to the numerous times Schumacher intentionally rammed his title rivals, and Massa in Japan.
 
I was referring to the numerous times Schumacher intentionally rammed his title rivals, and Massa in Japan.


Schumacher only rammed a rival once whilst driving a Ferrari, and that was against Jacques Villeneuve at Jerez in 97.

Massa vs Hamilton in Japan was more of a racing incident.


talbir
 
If He doesn't make pole, His bet bet is to sit behind both Ferraris (assuming they'll be ahead) and simply follow them through the race, stop at the same time etc It's difficult to take out someone who's behind you.

well schumacher did it to hill and almost to villeneuve
 
Deliberate ramming should carry a 3 race ban and /or 12 points penalty to the individual and the team.....Plus if it favours the outcome of a championship that should be overturned.....




BUT..in true F1 tradition ..............only if done by any other team than Ferrari:rolleyes:
 
Schumacher only rammed a rival once whilst driving a Ferrari, and that was against Jacques Villeneuve at Jerez in 97.

Massa vs Hamilton in Japan was more of a racing incident.


talbir

Schumacher did it blatently to Hill and Villeneuve. There is another incident which I can't recall exactly, but will research if need be.

Massa was a blatent one as well to all non-Ferrari fanatics.
 
Schumacher did it blatently to Hill and Villeneuve. There is another incident which I can't recall exactly, but will research if need be.

Massa was a blatent one as well to all non-Ferrari fanatics.


Schumacher did NOT ram Hill whilst driving a Ferrari. Your point was about red cars ramming others....Schumacher only rammed another driver in a chamionship deciding race once whilst in a red car and that was against Villeneuve at Jerez in 1997. Hill was Adelaide 1995 and Schumacher was in a Benetton.

No need for research just ask me, i have been watching every F1 race since i was 10 years old ! ;)

Your point about Massa ramming Hamilton doesn't stack up. Massa had nothing to gain by ramming Hamilton at Japan and risknig ending his own race as he was behind in the championship at that point. Schumacher had every incentive when he rammed Villeneuve and Hill, as he was ahead and finishing their race as well as his own would confirm him champion.



talbir
 
Deliberate ramming should carry a 3 race ban and /or 12 points penalty to the individual and the team.....Plus if it favours the outcome of a championship that should be overturned.....




BUT..in true F1 tradition ..............only if done by any other team than Ferrari:rolleyes:


Not sure what you mean by any other team than Ferrari getting the penalty....when Schumacher rammed Villeneuve at that fnial race in Jerez, Schumacher and Ferrari lost all driver and constructor points.....meaning Ferrari had to sit at the back end of the pit lane for the next season and all the other financial loss that comes with the points docking.


talbir
 
Good point about the Benetton, I guess the Scuhmacher = Ferrari thing is more prevalent than I thought. It's really poor form for him to contaminate the whole team like that so it's embedded in the psychy to ram rivals.

It would have been easy for Massa to avoid ramming Lewis in Fuji, we all know it.

I'll use an independant source for F1 facts if I need them, rather than a Ferrari fanatic/obsessive.

So, back to my point, which I feel you took far too seriously BTW, though I like Kimi a lot it would be poetic justice to see him outbrake himself and torpedo Massa out of the race. Though I like Massa as well actually, poor chap.
 
I'll use an independant source for F1 facts if I need them, rather than a Ferrari fanatic/obsessive.


Gosh and you think me took it seriously :confused:

I'm not a Ferrari fanatic or supporter....i merely support Kimi Raikkonen and before him i was a supporter of Mika Hakkinen. When Kimi was at McLaren, i willed him and them on to win....in F1 some have allegiances with constructor, others with driver....i tend to follow driver !

Read my first post here...i said Hamilton should win, you won't find a Ferrari nut saying that !

As for ramming rivals, every F1 driver is capable fo doing it, one of the primary reasons is the high safety standard the cars are built too....30 years back, they would never have dreamed of ramming someone for fear of losing life. Now the drivers know they can walk away from the severest of crashes. It's nothing to do with a Ferrari psyche. Hamilton ruined the race off and almost rammed off 3 cars at the first corner in Japan....poetic justice that he did get spun later on in that very race !



talbir
 
If Massa wins in Brazil, Hamilton must finish at least fifth to be champion
If Massa is second, Hamilton must finish at least seventh
If Massa is third or lower, Hamilton is champion regardless of his result in Brazil

Come on Lewis - you know what you have to do... :p
 
Hamilton to win
Both Ferrari engines to blow

Job done!
 
If Massa is leading and Hamilton fourth or better on the last lap, what chance a fanatical Brazilian fan running on the track in front of Hamilton?

Ramming is not a Ferrari or Schumacher thing it is a racing thing, Mr A. Senna did rather a lot of it including to his own team mate. I believe he drove for a team beginning with Mc.
 
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If Massa is leading and Hamilton fourth or better on the last lap, what chance a fanatical Brazilian fan running on the track in front of Hamilton?

Won't need a crazed-Brazilian fan - a race steward will step forward and do the dishonourable thing. ;)
 
What I'd like to see is Kimi mess up his braking into turn one and take out Massa.

Whilst that may be wishful thinking, it's not beyond the realms of possibility, as we all know that red cars are VERY prone to torpedoing the championship potentials from other teams if they try overtaking. So maybe the red cars might instinctively take out any overtaking car?

Excuse me but with comments like these you don't help non-UK members respect you a lot.

You are probably referring to the race where Hamilton did brake far too late and both Ferraris made enough room for him to avoid a collision, but then Kovalainen still hit one of the Ferraris slightly. If you are trying to reverse the events, you are not taken seriously even if the rest was absolute facts. Next time Massa did hit Hamilton, but why didn't he leave room for Massa even if he would not have had to, he would have passed Massa a bit later anyway.

I've tried to avoid these discussions because I would like McLaren to win but neither of the candidates perfectly qualify for the title even if both have proven to be very very good drivers.

Hamilton has a 7 points lead, let him win without any dirty tricks either way. If he needs even dirty thoughts for support, that reduces the respect he gains from the title (at least in the eyes of neutral spectators).

I'm not a Kubica fan but in my opinion this year he was the only one who was driving like a champion throughout the season, he just had a too slow car to become a champion.

I apologise already for the comment and leave the thread here.
 
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Massa leads second practice.....Ferraris look ominous !


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