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GPS Bluetooth Question

amwebby

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Reading the handbook for my Nokia N73, which I have connected in my car via SAP Bluetooth, I came across the following:
"Several Bluetooth communications can be active at a time. For example, if you are connected to a compatible headset, you can also transfer files to another compatible device at the same time."

If true this should mean I can install Tom Tom Go software on the N73 and connect to a Bluetooth module at the same time as being connected to the SAP Bluetooth module.

Has anyone tried this? Does it work?
 
Don't thimk this will work as your phone goes into remote SIM mode which in effect puts the phone to sleep so a lot of functions are disabled.
I have GPS on my N95 so I'll see if that works later and let you know.
 
Yes, I wondered about that. I've tested it with my Jabra headset and PC and it works. If SAP mode has done with the phone there is even more possibility as the Bluetooth connection isn't really needed.

I don't know how pervasive the sleep mode is and, as my car is in the bodyshop, I can't test to see if any phone functions are available in SIM mode so I await the results of your test with anticipation.
 
It isn't exactly obvious how the phone behaves when BT SAP connected. Current phones can handle multiple simultaneous BT connections but that may not be enough.

I had to try it with my Nokia E90, should be pretty similar to the N95 but I'm not sure N73 would have the same S60 version (should be mentioned at www.nokia.com).

Early BT SAP implementations killed the phone user interface pretty completely. A S40 phone would just show it is BT SAP connected and all you can do is select "quit SAP". The current S60 allows access to most applications, except some that are cellular connectivity dependent. An example being email. Odd to me that you cannot even open the application to read previously received emails. The again, the browser application opens but only to use WLAN, it is not able to use GPRS from the MB BT device (I tried with my laptop and it looks like it does not even support GPRS dial-up, unlike the N616 BT SAP car kit would do).

I've actually tried the internal E90 navigation application before when BT SAP had been active. The internal one works fine.

Next I disabled the internal E90 GPS and connected the phone to a BT GPS device. It did not appear to be straightforward to get the internal navigation application connect with the external BT GPS even if "Position" application clearly showed the phone was receiving GPS data from the external BT GPS device. Perhaps I did not activate it right but once the phone navi found the GPS data from the external device, I went to the car, activated BT SAP connection to the car and the phone navi was still working fine with the external GPS.

It looks like the GPS part works fine either way (internal or external GPS). I forgot to try navigation announcements. The point being that audio should in this case come from the phone speakers, the BT SAP connection cannot carry BT audio to let you hear the navigation voice guidance from the car speakers. Also I remember earlier using this BT GPS in another phone where the navi audio was totally lost when the phone was connected to a BT HF kit (a bit different from this SAP though). If possible, I would test the Tom Tom application in the car before buying but it could actually work quite fine.
 
Thanks DB, the N73 is the same V60 Symbian software so it should work. I didn't expect the annoucements via the cars speakers - phone audio should be fine as all I really want it for is speed camera warnings.

P.S. Now my phone is refusing to communicate with the Jabra. It can see it and pairs succesfully but "Cannot establish Bluetooth Connection."
 
I used to use this method with a PDA for SatNav which used my phone for access to traffic updates and a Parrot kit for handsfree. It always worked as long as the phone supported Bluetooth Class 2.

David
 
I'm now evaluating which software to use. Tom Tom Navigator is the obvious choice but I've just discovered Smart2Go, which will load on my N73 but can I load speed camera POIs to it and does it have audible warnings?
 
I'm now evaluating which software to use. Tom Tom Navigator is the obvious choice but I've just discovered Smart2Go, which will load on my N73 but can I load speed camera POIs to it and does it have audible warnings?

Smart2Go is now the same as Nokia Maps. It is good in the sense that you can download free maps covering every place in the just about as well it is possible on any device (combined Navteq & TeleAtlas coverage). It does allow own POI data but last time I tried, it was not doing well loading a huge personal POI data base. You should download a limited area only. But there have been several updates since I tried it, this may well have improved.

Also last time I tried it, it did not support any speed dependent alarm for specific POI class (which reads equal to speed camera warning to me). Again something that may improve over time, it obviously started from very basic features but is improving rapidly).
 
So that's a no really although things migt change. Looks like Tom Tom Navigator is tne best bet for audible speed camera warnings. Or does anyone else know of any other software that provides the same on the Symbian platform?
 
So that's a no really although things migt change. Looks like Tom Tom Navigator is tne best bet for audible speed camera warnings. Or does anyone else know of any other software that provides the same on the Symbian platform?

Tom Tom would be a well known one. Navicore has perfect support for personal POI and speed cameras (takes into account the speed limit and direction of travel and only warns when speeding the way the camera is watching).
http://www.navicoretech.com/Consumer/en_GB/productshome/
I believe they co-operate with Nokia/Symbian but have now been acquired by Wayfinder and I'm not sure which one is their future.
http://www.wayfinder.com/
 
Just a quick update.
Tried it again today and it starts to work fine and then just shuts off. I reset everthing and it shuts itself off after a couple of mins everytime, I don't think it likes working the GPS when in remote SIM mode.
If anyone else could try it it would be helpfull for amwebby.
 
Just a quick update.
Tried it again today and it starts to work fine and then just shuts off. I reset everthing and it shuts itself off after a couple of mins everytime, I don't think it likes working the GPS when in remote SIM mode.
If anyone else could try it it would be helpfull for amwebby.

Was that with Tom Tom Navigator? What phone?
 
Just a quick update.
Tried it again today and it starts to work fine and then just shuts off. I reset everthing and it shuts itself off after a couple of mins everytime, I don't think it likes working the GPS when in remote SIM mode.
If anyone else could try it it would be helpfull for amwebby.

I only tried it shortly, perhaps mine would have disconnected too after a while. I'll try it at some point later again.
 
Thanks guys.

One thought that occurs is that perhaps the GPS system must be active, i.e. tracking a route, to stop the Nokia from going into sleep mode.
 
What's odd about it? That is the exchange rate at todays rates.

If this works, assuming that an active GPS application prevents the Nokia from going into sleep mode, thats the cheapest speed camera alert on the market.
 
What's odd about it? That is the exchange rate at todays rates.

If this works, assuming that an active GPS application prevents the Nokia from going into sleep mode, thats the cheapest speed camera alert on the market.

Good that I'm not doing business with pounds, I'm used to 1:1,5 ratio :o

Yes it is a good idea to have this application separated from the navi application, I was just expecting these companies being greedy and trying to bundle those to get a higher price.

But there are totally free POI data bases for speed cameras, I would expect a free Symbian application too, but this Wayfinder wasn't too expensive for a commercial product.
 
I haven't found a free Symbian applcation and even the free databases are beginning to charge...
 

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