History repeating

[Pontoneer]

Not wishing to infringe the rules , to offend anyone , nor to take any sides , although certain legal proceedings in New York may be a topic for discussion as long as it does not get too polarised or heated .

Just I saw the following image , and it reminded me of the other one from around 50 years ago .


Of course this thread is only about buying used cars and finding an honest seller .

 

[John N]

Not wishing to infringe the rules , to offend anyone , nor to take any sides , although certain legal proceedings in New York may be a topic for discussion as long as it does not get too polarised or heated .

Just I saw the following image , and it reminded me of the other one from around 50 years ago .


Of course this thread is only about buying used cars and finding an honest seller .






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Just an observation, Trumps Badge is on the wrong side!

 

[Pontoneer]

Not my doing , just copied the image as I found it .

 

[Stratman]

Just an observation, Trumps Badge is on the wrong side!

There's a good chance the picture has been flipped left to right to make it match the other one.

 

[markjay]

The difference between the two is that while Nixon was a dishonest man, unlike Trump, he was actually quite knowledgeable about world affairs.

Look up some of the interviews Nixon gave after being 'dishonourably discharged' of his presidency, there are plenty on YouTube, and you'll be surprised to find just how many of his predictions came true, not the least of which that it would be a missed opportunity if the West fails to embrace Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

To clarify, Nixon was dishonest and he was caught lying, I have no sympathy for his predicament. But the comparison to Trump is very superficial.

 

[markjay]

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[Pontoneer]

The difference between the two is that while Nixon was a dishonest man, unlike Trump, he was actually quite knowledgeable about world affairs.

Look up some of the interviews Nixon gave after being 'dishonourably discharged' of his presidency, there are plenty on YouTube, and you'll be surprised to find just how many of his predictions came true, not the least of which that it would be a missed opportunity if the West fails to embrace Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

To clarify, Nixon was dishonest and he was caught lying, I have no sympathy for his predicament. But the comparison to Trump is very superficial.

I do remember the story , and I have both watched and listened to recordings , when Nixon debated with JFK for the presidency , those who watched it on TV , seeing JFK with his polish , smile and razzmatazz , versus Nixon's slightly bumbling appearance , thought that JFK got the better of Nixon ; but those who listened on radio , without seeing all the showmanship , though that Nixon bettered JFK in his arguments .

There is no doubt that Nixon was nobody's fool , and while he did indeed lie and was dishonest , I do think to some degree he was a victim of circumstances due the Vietnam war , which had been LBJ's undoing , and which Nixon , to his credit , started to withdraw troops from almost as soon as he took office . I know there was much more to his downfall than that , but after Kennedy pouring resources into the conflict and LBJ just following suit , Nixon never got off to a good start .

 

[Pontoneer]

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There is no doubt that Nixon was a very intelligent man , and I think in his earlier days , a good man .

Besides inheriting the Vietnam situation , his biggest mistake was allowing himself to get involved in the Watergate Scandal ; he surely knew about the break ins , and then of course so many of the tapes disappearing .

I think he was the first president to be impeached ( and ultimately resigned ) , but he was never going to be the last .

 

[Pontoneer]

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[Pontoneer]

The difference between the two is that while Nixon was a dishonest man, unlike Trump, he was actually quite knowledgeable about world affairs.

I just looked again at this , and the thought occurred to me that your first sentence could be interpreted two ways

If I remove the last clause , you will see what I mean ...

"The difference between the two is that while Nixon was a dishonest man, unlike Trump... " Hmmm ?

 

[markjay]

I just looked again at this , and the thought occurred to me that your first sentence could be interpreted two ways

If I remove the last clause , you will see what I mean ...

"The difference between the two is that while Nixon was a dishonest man, unlike Trump... " Hmmm ?

"The difference between the two is that while both were/are dishonest men, Nixon, unlike Trump, was actually quite knowledgeable about world affairs"

 

[Pontoneer]

I like the restructuring of the sentence above .

However , I still don't think RMN was a bad person to begin with , I like this clip .

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[Pontoneer]

I also think that this statement was statesmanlike , in a manner that Trump would be entirely incapable of ; there is no comparison between the two of them .

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Nixon may have been caught up in circumstances later in his life , and felt compelled to lie , but I genuinely don't believe he was a bad person to begin with .

I'd choose him over Trump any day .

 

[Pontoneer]

Now , going back to the same time period , this shows the charm , and the persuasiveness of Nixon's political opponent : JFK , in one of the greatest political speeches ever given

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[MikeInWimbledon]

Now , going back to the same time period , this shows the charm , and the persuasiveness of Nixon's political opponent : JFK , in one of the greatest political speeches ever given

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Which resulted in unfathomable amounts of money being spent on missile technology which was crucial for ICBM development during the Cold War.

Money and resources which would have been wasted on Education, welfare and health services across the poorer parts of American society.

We’ve established that both RMN and DT won US Presidential elections despite Being accomplished car salesmen and liars. But who was the greatest liar within the same period? Bill or JFK ? (Ignore their Olympic grade womanising - it was different times)

 

[Pontoneer]

Which resulted in unfathomable amounts of money being spent on missile technology which was crucial for ICBM development during the Cold War.

Money and resources which would have been wasted on Education, welfare and health services across the poorer parts of American society.

We’ve established that both RMN and DT won US Presidential elections despite Being accomplished car salesmen and liars. But who was the greatest liar within the same period? Bill or JFK ? (Ignore their Olympic grade womanising - it was different times)

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Both sides were developing rocket technology at that time , for the same reasons , and the 'space race' was just a front for it .

As for who was the greatest liar , I'd have to give it some thought , but DJT , I think , shows that Olympic grade womanising still goes on .

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

As for who was the greatest liar , I'd have to give it some thought , but DJT , I think , shows that Olympic grade womanising still goes on .

The evidence from Clinton's security guards, puts Clinton ahead of JFK in terms of volume, with both of them well ahead of DJT.

DJT pulls because of his money, but both Clinton and JFK had the much bigger advantage of looks and a far longer political career.

DJT, bless his cotton socks wouldn't have managed three "trysts" during Inauguration day, as he went from Ball to Ball, unlike Clinton. But there's something magical about JFK getting Marilyn and many others driven in to the White House so that they could entertain him in the White House Pool. As JFK admitted to Harold Macmillan, he needed a fresh woman at least once every three days, and enjoyed as many as three during the course of a day.

You do have to wonder about RFK's five year affair with Jackie after Jack died. How did Bobbie do that while fathering eleven children with Ethel, his wife ?

 

[Pontoneer]

If you are just talking about during DJTs political career , I suppose it was relatively short , although perhaps not that very much shorter than JFK's given his untimely demise , and I think he only really got into politics in the fifties , although due to his family he was probably raised with that career in mind . I expect , too , that the Kennedys had just as much , if not more , money than the Trumps ? Even before he got into politics , though , 'Donny' was well into womanising since his adolescence .

As for your last question .... my best guess would be stamina , and not the dog food !

 

[Pontoneer]

We’ve established that both RMN and DT won US Presidential elections despite Being accomplished car salesmen and liars.

An interesting thought , and perhaps as good a way of deciding who gets the next turn in the White House .

Joe Biden's father ran the largest Chevrolet dealership in his state , and 'Honest Don' ( he actually called himself that recently ) prides himself on his business acumen .

Suppose each were given the choice of working in any car dealership anywhere in the USA for a fixed period of time , be it a day , a week or a month , the contest would be to see which one of them could 'shift the most metal' and it would be agreed beforehand that either the total number of vehicles sold , or the total value of all vehicles sold would decide the winner .

Now , Donny could probably take over a Rolls-Royce dealership , his favourite brand , it has been reported , and sell cars at discounted prices to his rich friends .

Joe , on the other hand , might more wisely take on one of the more mainstream brands , and then concentrate on fleet sales - e.g. a full new fleet of squad cars for the NYPD , staff cars for the Army , Navy and Air Force , fleets of cars and vans for the CIA and FBI , plus a few private customers as well .

I wonder how that would pan out , and could we trust their sales figures ?