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Home Office set to approve new SPECS3 cameras
as well as narrow roads, cyclists, runners, dog walkers, horses and people walking with kids. All in all there are a multitude of reasons why richmond park is not a good place for vehicles doing 30 mph.
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What, and make children WALK 1/4 of a mile! Whatever next.....
Compliants about vandalism on "their warpath" (i.e. the walk to school).
One little feral BAst*** decided to roam free down the central reservation on the urban dual carriageway in dumbarton lobbing snow balls @ cars. Funny enough, but clueless, one slip on his part or a car skids and he's toast (even I wouldn't wish that on him as throwing snow shouldn't end in loss of life).
Kids these days, clueless and irresponsible as they are nannied.
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As of when ? not heard anything about this ....
It's now back to 30 ( as it should be ) , camera is still there though. Still very slow there because apparently people can't read the signs that say 30 and still insist on slowing down to 18 mph to go past the camera .... idiots ...
this is the same line of argument that holds that because my granny smoked 40 a day and lived till she was 80 smoking bans are OTT, or because corporal punishment was rife in the 50's and 60's it didnt do kids then any harm either.
as adult in charge of little ones now on the way to nursery (on foot) their abilities to judge traffic are very poor indeed!
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Only the cyclists should be on the actual road though , country lanes in Cornwall are narrow as well , should they be 20 mph limits ?
Horses have their own gallops in the park . Runners shouldn't be on the road , dog walkers don't walk them on the road , and people don't walk with kids on the road.
No point in going to a park if you aren't going to walk on the grass.
Agreed there's a small one of these in Bristol - it's a link area betwen to parallel roads but not a rat run as such. The lack of pavements and arrangement of parking spaces really does make you concious of your surroundings, you do feel like you are driving through a pedestrianised shopping centre.
Not applicable to normal through routes though (and road safety wasn't an issue when lots of a schools were built so a large numbe rare on through routes).
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Actually Howard... they have laid expensive cycle paths all around the park as well as ones parallel to the roads to make it safer for cyclists. So no, they shouldn't be on the road either.
As for the original comment, there's free roaming deer all over the countryside. I guess that means we should reduce all unrestricted roads to 20mph for the sake of the deer.
Talk about a lame argument. Tsk tsk
If it's anything like our local cycle path the keen cyclists are on the road to avoid the small children and loose dogs who are being walked along the along the cyclepath by their owners/parents.Actually Howard... they have laid expensive cycle paths all around the park as well as ones parallel to the roads to make it safer for cyclists. So no, they shouldn't be on the road either.
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New Forest has a blanket 40 limit; I don't think that would look as picturesque with SPECS at every cattle grid 
Actually Howard... they have laid expensive cycle paths all around the park as well as ones parallel to the roads to make it safer for cyclists. So no, they shouldn't be on the road either.
As for the original comment, there's free roaming deer all over the countryside. I guess that means we should reduce all unrestricted roads to 20mph for the sake of the deer.
Talk about a lame argument. Tsk tsk
if the concentration of wild animals on a normal road approached anything like the numbers in richmond park then accident stats would sky rocket. at times it can be like driving across a farm field when the deer decide to cross, or not, or cross, or turn back.
the horses have to cross the roads to get into the special bits too.
its not a lame argument if its true and no amount of tsk-ing will change it.
and the "expensive cycle paths" laid around the side are no good for road bikes and there aren't any parallel to the road for road bikes last time i was there ( last week) so its perfectly legal and appropriate for cyclists to use the roads. in fact its a bit of a mecca for west london cyclists but i'm sure you knew that.
i would say the longest journey across the park by road might be four miles so the time saved by travelling at 30 compared to 20 would be all of 4 minutes. i'd say enjoy it you are travelling through one of the great urban parks in Europe
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Just having a quick peek on Google Earth , and i must say that the cycle paths do seem to run parallel to the roads for a fair bit of the park they are the yellow bits that run alongside the roads ...
they are the yellow bits that run alongside the roads ...
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I sometimes use those cycle paths and they are not exactly sandy, far from it, they are certainly firm enough for me and I dont use a MTB. They were actually designed with cycles in mind.
The 30mph limit was in place for decades.... and the park was hardly an accident zone.
The 30mph limit was in place for decades.... and the park was hardly an accident zone.
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well not quite - i think the paths are mixed use for both biking and walking with no clear delineation between the two so more for toodling around on a hybrid/mtb or with little ones in tow.
I dont think they run exactly parallel in the conventional sense of a bike lane in an urban environment being alongside the carriageway but they end up going where the roads go albeit through the trees a bit more. But as they simply arent designed for road racing bikes (the surface is too loose and soft) the point is moot.
I dont think they run exactly parallel in the conventional sense of a bike lane in an urban environment being alongside the carriageway but they end up going where the roads go albeit through the trees a bit more. But as they simply arent designed for road racing bikes (the surface is too loose and soft) the point is moot.
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Make the school zone pedestrian only and you stop not only the speeders but also the school run. Much better and cheaper all round
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So you ride a road racing bike in a park with designated cycle paths that are not to your liking... and because of this you think all car drivers should be limited to 20mph?
On a decent road racing bicycle, 20mph is peanuts, its so slow in fact that I'll wager you regularly exceed this restriction as the pace is just too limiting.
On a decent road racing bicycle, 20mph is peanuts, its so slow in fact that I'll wager you regularly exceed this restriction as the pace is just too limiting.
I'm sorry this is just getting silly.
i am not suggesting that some (even most) bikes cannot use the path around the edge just that you'd be foolhardy to do it on a racing bike with its speed and narrow tires. the road surface is good and the setting spectacular so road cyclists are naturally attracted to the park.
i am not suggesting that some (even most) bikes cannot use the path around the edge just that you'd be foolhardy to do it on a racing bike with its speed and narrow tires. the road surface is good and the setting spectacular so road cyclists are naturally attracted to the park.
