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I did a stupid thing today.

TomTom tells you which of the gantries have cameras ;) :)

But it doesn't tell you if they are active all the time or only when the variable speed limit is in force....
 
I know that, but you are just being argumentative for the sake of it, or you are not very observant on the motorway. I am not stating it is the law or you have a legal right, I am saying that most people in the outside lane are there to do more than 70mph.
Personally, if I can't be bothered driving at more than 70mph, I don't go in that lane so I don't get a-holes roaring up behind me. So by choosing to stick to 70mph in the outside lane (when traffic allows for faster) is going to piss people off, like it or not, that is what happens, and you might think you are doing the right thing driving at the speed limit but you are causing a dangerous tailback, causing cars to drive too close, people get impatient, people take risks, motorways are closed for hours and the rest of us get inconvenienced because someone at the front was doing 70mph.
See my point? innocence and a do good attitude can have a butterfly effect. Just because you think that those people shouldn't be on the road if that is how they drive does not change the fact they ARE on the road.

Besides being a matter of law , it is a matter of local culture : perhaps where you live speeding is rife , but here in Scotland most people are fairly compliant and only a very small minority disregard the speed limits . While I mostly pootle along in lane 1 at 50 or 60 mph , depending on my mood and traffic conditions , on the occasions when I do push it up to 70 I find very few passing me , and quite often those that do are to be found on the hard shoulder a few miles down having fallen foul of an unmarked police car .

Of course , with the differences in our laws and enforcement compared to those down south , those who choose to go significantly over the limits risk charges of dangerous driving and lengthy bans , as happened to an unfortunate former member on here - perhaps that explains the apparent difference in compliance ?

Of course , most of our motorways don't have the luxury of a third lane ( but neither do many of the autobahnen ) so quite often the right hand lane is occupied by people passing trucks and other slower traffic but who also don't wish to exceed the speed limits .

Then we have many sections of motorway which are subject to lower limits , which some choose to disregard , such as the areas where the M74 meets the M8 and the M8 past Glasgow Airport - again , I will not be bullied into speeding and if some fastard behind gets upset , tough - they can go past like the Starship Enterprise when the road opens up , and I will laugh out loud when I see them stopped further on .

As far as I am concerned , if I am legitimately overtaking slower traffic , I will return to the left when it is convenient , but I will not be pushed into speeding by an impatient driver behind , nor will I inconvenience myself just to facilitate their lawbreaking - if they get themselves into trouble they have only themselves to blame .
 
Besides being a matter of law , it is a matter of local culture : perhaps where you live speeding is rife , but here in Scotland most people are fairly compliant and only a very small minority disregard the speed limits . While I mostly pootle along in lane 1 at 50 or 60 mph , depending on my mood and traffic conditions , on the occasions when I do push it up to 70 I find very few passing me ,

I guess the Scots are just a bit tight on fuel.

A few years ago a friend admitted to dropping to 120 on the twisty bits near Glasgow...
 
A few years ago , fuel cost a lot less than it does now :)
 
But it doesn't tell you if they are active all the time or only when the variable speed limit is in force....

For sure, but you could play safe by not exceeding 79 (indicated) as you go past one with cameras on (you can actually see them as you approach, if you look carefully).
 
For sure, but you could play safe by not exceeding 79 (indicated) as you go past one with cameras on (you can actually see them as you approach, if you look carefully).


There are new gantries with speed cameras on that stretch of the M1 between junction 6 and 10, which is why I did not want to speed up and was keeping a perfect speed of 70mph (in hindsight I suppose I could have relied on the 10% + 2 mph rule)....

While the 10% +2mph rule means I could have accelerated from 70mph to 79mph even under the gantry cameras, it did not occur to me at the time.

The entire episode took a minute or two which is not enough time to fully evaluate the issues regarding cameras and speed... 70mph seemed like the right speed for staying on the right side of the law and out of trouble.



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While the 10% +2mph rule...
[PEDANT MODE]Limit +10% + 2mph is the ACPO recommended prosecution threshold. That means enforcement action is expected to occur at limit +10% + 2mph and above. This means that on a motorway, enforcement action is expected at speeds of 79mph and above, so 78mph is "below the radar" while 79mph is not. However, remember that this is just a recommendation from ACPO, and it's perfectly feasible to get stuck on for 71mph.[/PEDANT MODE]
 
it's perfectly feasible to get stuck on for 71mph

The ACPO guidelines state that police measuring equipment has a tolerance of 3% over 66 mph ... so 72.1 mph would be the lowest speed they could prosecute for in a 70 limit.

Worth mentioning that you can be offered a speed awareness course rather than FPN up to 86 mph.

http://www.acpo.police.uk/documents/uniformed/2013/201305-uoba-joining-forces-safer-roads.pdf
 
The ACPO guidelines state that police measuring equipment has a tolerance of 3% over 66 mph ... so 72.1 mph would be the lowest speed they could prosecute for in a 70 limit.

Worth mentioning that you can be offered a speed awareness course rather than FPN up to 86 mph.

http://www.acpo.police.uk/documents/uniformed/2013/201305-uoba-joining-forces-safer-roads.pdf

Only if you haven't done one in the last 3 years.

Only in England - we don't have them up here . :)

Speed awareness courses in Wales also.
 
Either oblivious to me behind him, or just a lane hogger I'm unsure, but after a few minutes I could see he wasn't going to move over. I'm not one for flashing lights and sounding horns, so I just moved back to the inside lane and increased my speed to around 70 so I slowly crept past him. No harm done and nobody else in sight.

That was the dangerous bit, and I'm surprised no one has picked up on it.

If you are going to undertake, and I think it is legitimate on occasion, get it behind you as quickly as possible, as you should with all hazards.

One situation on dual carriageways which irritates me is the slow overtake, seeing drivers sitting alongside other vehicles at only a slightly higher speed, or even not making progress at all. Lorry drivers are masters of the art, but many car drivers do it unnecessarily too, especially in long roadworks restricted to 50mph. As many of these thoughtless people are driving too close to the vehicle in front, their first reaction in an emergency will be to swerve to one side or the other, clobbering, or being clobbered by the vehicle alongside.

I always try to drive with a gap on either side, which can be difficult as many drivers like to 'cosy up', and I never start to overtake anything until there's room in front of it for my vehicle.
 
One situation on dual carriageways which irritates me is the slow overtake, seeing drivers sitting alongside other vehicles at only a slightly higher speed, or even not making progress at all. Lorry drivers are masters of the art...

Yes, they maybe, but they're attempting to overtake a speed limited vehicle in another speed limited vehicle (the necessity of which is an entirely separate issue) and therefore have very little choice in the matter, car drivers on the other hand I agree, incredibly frustrating and potentially hazardous.
 
As far as I am concerned , if I am legitimately overtaking slower traffic , I will return to the left when it is convenient , but I will not be pushed into speeding by an impatient driver behind , nor will I inconvenience myself just to facilitate their lawbreaking - if they get themselves into trouble they have only themselves to blame .

Quite right. I always stick to a max indicated 72 mph now (sat nav advises this is real 70) and so have no worry about passing or being passed by a police car, marked or unmarked. (It has the added advantage that over the last 3,500 miles in my CLK 200K, I averaged 39.5 mpg, frequently getting over 45 mpg on motorways.)

I relish the day when I meet one of these tailgaters in the Motorway Services car park where I can ask if they do the same thing in supermarkets - ie stand really close to people in front of them at the till, demanding that they get out of their way and let them go in front because they want to be out of there sooner. It's the same basic principle, I am in front of them because I got there first. If they wanted to be 20' further forward on the motorway that much, they should have left home earlier.
 
I relish the day when I meet one of these tailgaters in the Motorway Services car park where I can ask if they do the same thing in supermarkets - ie stand really close to people in front of them at the till, demanding that they get out of their way and let them go in front because they want to be out of there sooner. It's the same basic principle, I am in front of them because I got there first.

Good analogy.
 
I relish the day when I meet one of these tailgaters in the Motorway Services car park where I can ask if they do the same thing in supermarkets - ie stand really close to people in front of them at the till, demanding that they get out of their way and let them go in front because they want to be out of there sooner. It's the same basic principle, I am in front of them because I got there first. If they wanted to be 20' further forward on the motorway that much, they should have left home earlier.

Poor analogy.

A better one would be you queuing up with your shopping trolley in the basket only lane - you can just imagine the abuse you would get.
 
Poor analogy.

A better one would be you queuing up with your shopping trolley in the basket only lane - you can just imagine the abuse you would get.

And thats the problem, you wouldn't.

You might end up getting a dirty look or two at most.
Then all the disgruntled customers will be writing letters of complaints to the store manager, venting their anger on facebook, twiter, etc. telling the tale to the neighbours and eventually to their grandchildren, on how they nearly confronted the culprit ;)
 
Poor analogy.

A better one would be you queuing up with your shopping trolley in the basket only lane - you can just imagine the abuse you would get.

Wrong. There's no "basket only" lane on a motorway. A driver travelling at 70 mph in the outside lane is perfectly justified to be there if overtaking traffic moving more slowly in the other lane(s). Indeed, a driver travelling at 50 mph in the outside lane is perfectly justified to be there if overtaking traffic moving more slowly in the other lane(s). If someone behind wishes to go faster, he (because it invariably is a "he") should pull back to a safe distance and wait until the lane is clear again.
 
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And thats the problem, you wouldn't.

You might end up getting a dirty look or two at most.
Then all the disgruntled customers will be writing letters of complaints to the store manager, venting their anger on facebook, twiter, etc. telling the tale to the neighbours and eventually to their grandchildren, on how they nearly confronted the culprit ;)

I am a supermarket manager and this comment is so true.
 

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