I just bought an MB AUDIO 30 APS

[noogieman]

Thanks!


only one problem with those antennas, if i remember, tje APS 30 takes a square ended plug.. I had this issue... luckily i had an old Mercedes GPS lead so i cut it and joined it to the antenna.

Jaymanek:
On all german ebay auctions sellers write it's the round wiclic antenna?
Did I buy the wrong type for BE4715?
Should it be the square connector instead?
I'm getting confused now?

Hi Kowalski,
Just to say that it is extremely likely that it will be plug and play, one of the reasons I love this place is because of contributors like jaymanek, I have learned a fair bit from threads he and others like him have contributed to. From threads I have read that he has contributed to, I can say he knows his stuff, so I think we may be at the end of your quest for answers.
Just to add, I agree that the square metal slot is the D2B socket.
As everything is iso, it is going to be easy, you can always check when you check your cars power iso to see if it has a wire in pin position A1, which is for speed dependant volume control. ISO A is power, ISO B is speakers, each iso has 8 positions/pins, as you look at the back of the head unit ISO A will be at the bottom, ISO B will be above, normally the D2B fibre connection will be at the same level as ISO A. So just make sure you have a wire at position 1 on ISO A, then you have your speed pulse. The metal round eminance will be for the fm aerial.
I think you will be fine now.

Cyberflex:
when you write about speed dependant volume control!
I have this on my radio!
Is this the similar thing for speed sensor connection?

The 3 different ISO plugs they only fit 1 each different socket?
I can't plug the wrong ISO to another socket where it doesn't belong?

Here's the link to my C43 AMG!
Mercedes C43 AMG (1999) - GARAGET - www.garaget.org

Thanks

 

[cyberflex]

Hiya,
Yes fella, if your unit has this function, I presume A1 is present, thus no worries with the speed sensor signal.
When you look at the ISO plugs you will notice that the 8 pin power iso, ISO A has a lug(clip used to secure it in head unit) that is more oriented to the bottom of the connector, the 8 pin iso used for speakers, ISO B has the lug positioned dead centre, not sure about your ISO C as you say your car is not canbus, however I guess your ISO C could contain some wake up signals for the Bose, CD changer e.t.c., all I can say for ISO C, if it is present, is that for me in a September 2001 C320 Avantgarde, ISO C was a 10 pin ISO that contained can hi, can lo, cd changer wake up +12v, cd changer+12v and negative, so 5 pins out of the 10 pin ISO were active. So no you cannot physically get the iso's wrong.
Lovely car by the way, like the Brabus monobocks alot, nice car mate.
SKOL! JON.

 

[noogieman]

Hiya,
Yes fella, if your unit has this function, I presume A1 is present, thus no worries with the speed sensor signal.
When you look at the ISO plugs you will notice that the 8 pin power iso, ISO A has a lug(clip used to secure it in head unit) that is more oriented to the bottom of the connector, the 8 pin iso used for speakers, ISO B has the lug positioned dead centre, not sure about your ISO C as you say your car is not canbus, however I guess your ISO C could contain some wake up signals for the Bose, CD changer e.t.c., all I can say for ISO C, if it is present, is that for me in a September 2001 C320 Avantgarde, ISO C was a 10 pin ISO that contained can hi, can lo, cd changer wake up +12v, cd changer+12v and negative, so 5 pins out of the 10 pin ISO were active. So no you cannot physically get the iso's wrong.
Lovely car by the way, like the Brabus monobocks alot, nice car mate.
SKOL! JON.

Hello Mr.Cyberflex.
How ya doin'

Yeah I thought so about the ISO plugs, they are different shape not to be mixed up on the wrong socket!
I bet it's an easy and pleasent install and it will be a great facelift to my deck!

Glad you like my car.
When I watched the movie Romeo must die.
I then knew this was my car!
To bad I bought these new Brabus Originals!
They are phat on my car, a real beauty when you see them live.

But I also like the E55 18 inch wheels, these look much more nicer than the original 17 inch wheels.
An AMG looks more original with the 18 inch wheels like in the movie Romeo must die.
But I guess they were 17's on this movie car.

The correct writting in swedish for skol is SKÅL.
Skol is an English version of Skål
Skål means cheers.
I don't think you have this keyletter on you keypad?

Cheerio

 

[jaymanek]

Here is the diagram of a similar unit:

I cant specifically remember about the plug for the GPS, i just remember I had to do some splicing. You will still need the antenna so dont worry.
From memory there are two points on the back of the stereo.. one that looks like a GPS connection.. i connected it to that and it didnt work..
The other connection was the blue MB connection, I connected to this and it worked.


Thanks

Jay

 

[cyberflex]

Nice work Jay,
From that, it looks like A1 is speed pulse, A2 is reverse, it also looks like those units did not use fibre optics for communication with the cd changer, Bose e.t.c., mmm... interesting, kind of makes sense for a W202 in my mind, but could be wrong, I guess until you get the old unit out, it will all be up in the air, so hurry up mate, the suspense is killing me. LOL.
Take care. Jon.

 

[jaymanek]

The APS uses fibre optics for CD Changer.. thats why i say its a similar unit not the same.. The ISO connections will be the same though.. Thats the one i used to figure out where to put speed pulse.

If you need a fibre optic cable, order a W210 estate one.

 

[noogieman]

Thanks for the picture diagram Jay.
It explained a lot.

It says TERMINAL 30 and TERMINAL 15 should be separate, not to drain the battery.

Terminal 15 is it the # 15 pin?
I don't see the terminal 30!

I wrote some questions for some of the connectors!
About the GPS antenna plug WICLIC it's oval round the outer plastic housing but the inner plug is round.
The picture shows the same shape for this plug back of the radio.

Thanks

 

[cyberflex]

Hi,
As Jay correctly pointed out, this is not exatly the same unit to the one you will have, so don't worry.
Terminal 15 is position 7 on iso A, it is switched +12v,(ignition +12v), terminal 30 is position 4 on iso A, some people don't want their unit to turn off when the ignition is turned off, so join ignition +12v and permanent +12v from the head unit to a single permanant +12v from the car(When I see this I always think it is either an install which has not used a canbus interface(Newer cars) or in the older stuff a person who does not want to/know how to/be bothered to, tap an ignition +12v feed from something as simple as a cigarette lighter). Just make sure you have a separate permanent +12v for memory and a separate ignition +12v for turning on and off(ignition control). These should already be present in your cars ISO A..Keep in mind though,this may not be an issue with your APS 30.
Jon.

 

[noogieman]

Hi,
As Jay correctly pointed out, this is not exatly the same unit to the one you will have, so don't worry.
Terminal 15 is position 7 on iso A, it is switched +12v,(ignition +12v), terminal 30 is position 4 on iso A, some people don't want their unit to turn off when the ignition is turned off, so join ignition +12v and permanent +12v from the head unit to a single permanant +12v from the car(When I see this I always think it is either an install which has not used a canbus interface(Newer cars) or in the older stuff a person who does not want to/know how to/be bothered to, tap an ignition +12v feed from something as simple as a cigarette lighter). Just make sure you have a separate permanent +12v for memory and a separate ignition +12v for turning on and off(ignition control). These should already be present in your cars ISO A..Keep in mind though,this may not be an issue with your APS 30.
Jon.

Hey bud.
stupeeeed me I didn't inspect the diagram# pins where those both terminals are explained, now I saw it!
yeah, I understand the backside of this picture might be different to my APS 30.

I emailed the ebay seller and asked about the round/oval wiclic plug for the gps antenna
seller told me this is correct for aps 30 BE4715
lucky me I bought the correct one.
Now I have to wait for the nav to arrive.
Cheers

 

[noogieman]

I received my BE4715 APS 30 cd navigator.
I removed my tapedeck and inspected the ISO plugs.

I noticed that my AUDIO 30 tapedeck doesn't have all the pins present from factory on first TOP ISO plug!
I have attached a picture, there you can see that many are missing!


2nd and 3rd ISO plugs have all pins present for each function.

My navigator APS30 have all the pins present on all 3 ISO plugs
When I inspected all the pins missing on my audio 30 tapedeck I chicken out!
I didn't install my new navigator.
Now I dunno what to do about the missing pins on my factory ISO plugs?
Do I have to buy a new aftermarket plug and connect it to my car with all pins present?

Here is my tiny GPS antenna!
Should it be tiny like this?
To fit in my palm hand?
Size is:
3,5 cm wide
1 cm height
4,5 cm depth

Where is the best location to place the antenna?
I don't want to remove my speedo cluster!

 

[cyberflex]

That looks good to me, the iso you are talking about is the 10 pin iso i had on the w203, look at the 10 pin iso plug (from car) and see if these are the colours of the wires, C1 red/brown and C2 brown are CAN HI and CAN LO, C4 should be blue/black, C5 should be red/black and C6 is brown, C4,C5, and C6 are Cd changer wake up, power and ground, if the information I have is correct.
If these are present on the cars 10 pin iso, it looks like your car uses canbus, does the aps 30 you got use a 10 pin iso aswell or a mini iso with more pins, like Jays diagram?? It could be that your old unit is capable of communicating via canbus but the 10 pin iso that comes from the car does not have the red/brown and brown canbus wires present and uses A1 for speed pulse, A2 for reverse, you need to take pics of ALL the iso connectors from the car and the socket on the back of the APS 30 aswell, just to confirm the picture you posted was the back of your old unit, if so, good, just take a picture of the iso's and the back of the new unit. If the new unit is 10 pin iso aswell I would say you're ready to plug and play! Don't worry about the missing pins on the 10 pin iso. It is normal. But if you are unsure, best take more pics or go to your contact at MB.
Cheers Jon.

 

[noogieman]

That looks good to me, the iso you are talking about is the 10 pin iso i had on the w203, look at the 10 pin iso plug (from car) and see if these are the colours of the wires, C1 red/brown and C2 brown are CAN HI and CAN LO, C4 should be blue/black, C5 should be red/black and C6 is brown, C4,C5, and C6 are Cd changer wake up, power and ground, if the information I have is correct.
If these are present on the cars 10 pin iso, it looks like your car uses canbus, does the aps 30 you got use a 10 pin iso aswell or a mini iso with more pins, like Jays diagram?? It could be that your old unit is capable of communicating via canbus but the 10 pin iso that comes from the car does not have the red/brown and brown canbus wires present and uses A1 for speed pulse, A2 for reverse, you need to take pics of ALL the iso connectors from the car and the socket on the back of the APS 30 aswell, just to confirm the picture you posted was the back of your old unit, if so, good, just take a picture of the iso's and the back of the new unit. If the new unit is 10 pin iso aswell I would say you're ready to plug and play! Don't worry about the missing pins on the 10 pin iso. It is normal. But if you are unsure, best take more pics or go to your contact at MB.
Cheers Jon.

Hey bud.
I'll take some more pictures of my ISO plugs and the rear of both decks!

Top ISO plug wires had different colors.
I didn't check what combinations they had!

The rear picture of the deck shown here on this thread is from my tapedeck not the new APS 30!

My new bought APS30 have all the pins present at rear!
If I plug my top ISO plug it will only give connection to some pins and the others will be left out!
Is my APS 30 going to work properly with the non full pins from my ISO plug or do I need a new ISO plug connected to my car?

 

[noogieman]

These RED marked arrows should there be anything connected to these plugs?

I have only my cars ISO plug connectors and the plug from my factory antenna and the universal wiclic plug from the gps antenna!
I don't have anything else

 

[jaymanek]

just plug in what you have, you cant do it wrong as all the ISO plugs have security so they only go in the correct slots!

best place for GPS antenna is on the dash, i placed mine at the base near tax disc holder.

 

[cyberflex]

Jay is right, the iso's will only fit or not fit in their respective sockets, the picture you posted that is now removed showed the back of your old unit having a 10 pin iso with vertical pins, (same as my W203's audio 10), the diagram Jay posted is of a similar, but as he quite rightly pointed out, not the same unit as your APS 30, the diagram shows a mini iso at the top with more than 10 HORIZONTALLY oriented pins, if your unit has this type of iso, going from your previous picture, your 10 pin iso with vertically oriented pins will not fit.
Just try to plug in, the lack of pins is not an issue. Just try it. Don't worry.
Jon

 

[noogieman]

Jay is right, the iso's will only fit or not fit in their respective sockets, the picture you posted that is now removed showed the back of your old unit having a 10 pin iso with vertical pins, (same as my W203's audio 10), the diagram Jay posted is of a similar, but as he quite rightly pointed out, not the same unit as your APS 30, the diagram shows a mini iso at the top with more than 10 HORIZONTALLY oriented pins, if your unit has this type of iso, going from your previous picture, your 10 pin iso with vertically oriented pins will not fit.
Just try to plug in, the lack of pins is not an issue. Just try it. Don't worry.
Jon

ok I'll try tomorrow!
my pins on the APS 30 was vertical placed! Like this= I I I I

How do I remove the tools from my radio?
I jammed them all the way in!
I followed the L and R instructions on top of the tools!
now they are jammed inside the slots for removing the deck!
do I wiggle or what to remove my tools?
thanks

 

[jaymanek]

when the unit is out, press on the pegs with your thumb and remove tools.

 

[wobbly]

best place for GPS antenna is on the dash, i placed mine at the base near tax disc holder.

Mine is under the dash, and works just fine.

 

[noogieman]

when the unit is out, press on the pegs with your thumb and remove tools.

Do you mean the thumb pegs?
Do I have to press them in towards the radio front or sideways?

Mine is under the dash, and works just fine.

I think my dash will have a cleaner look with the gps under the dash!
But I bet it will degrade the sensitivity picking up X-amount of satellites if the gps antenna is placed below dashboard?

Here is my current stock radio.
Front and backside.

Tomorrow I will take other photos from the new deck!

Thanks for everything

 

[cyberflex]

Hi, the 2 pins on the far left of the 10 way iso are canbus, well they were on the Becker audio 10 from my c320, when you take it out again 2 morrow, check to see if the 2 wires in the 10 way iso that match up with these 2 pins are brown, it could help us answer whether the last run of w202's used canbus or not.
Jon