Yeah fella I see, I guess I know why you are a bit apprehensive, but sometimes those extra pins could be for specific functions in specific spec cars, or could be dummies, no way to tell without opening up the unit and being an electronics engineer, which we aren't.
The FACT is iso plugs in cars have been standardized by the International organization for standardization. Although, I have seen some exceptions on some very early stuff, the pins will be fine. Just wake up tomorrow and plug in already...
I think you will be one happy man, I hope for the best, just check out if the 2 far left(far right as you look at the cars plug head on I guess) wires on your cars 10 way iso are brown or not to answer my canbus question.
The FACT is iso plugs in cars have been standardized by the International organization for standardization. Although, I have seen some exceptions on some very early stuff, the pins will be fine. Just wake up tomorrow and plug in already...
I think you will be one happy man, I hope for the best, just check out if the 2 far left(far right as you look at the cars plug head on I guess) wires on your cars 10 way iso are brown or not to answer my canbus question.
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Yeah fella I see, I guess I know why you are a bit aprehensive, but sometimes those extra pins could be for specific functions in specific spec cars, or could be dummies, no way to tell without opening up the unit and being an electronics engineer, which we aren't.
The FACT is iso plugs in cars have been standardized by the International organization for standardization. Although, I have seen some exceptions on some very early stuff, the pins will be fine. Just wake up tomorrow and plug in already...
Aren't you sleeping old buddy?
It's 01:20 at midnight in Sweden.
Yeah I will give it a go tomorrow actually it's today!:bannana:
Yeah The pins are exactly the same as on my APS30 deck.
Btw I fiound another deck but with lousy picture quality!
It can still be seen.
Seller on Fleabay claims this is a BE4715,on the rear part there is the round connector nearest to the left of the D2B plug, this round connectors is dead on this APS30 but mine has a plug connector on my radio in gold looks?
I guess this deck on Ebay is an older BE4715?
Thanks
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yes it's becker German qualität!
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Thanks, now get to sleep, big day and all that...
sure thing don't let the bed bugs bite!
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That is exactly the same layout as the becker BE 6019 Audio 10 Tape deck that I removed from my W203 C320. The bottom 8 pin iso is power, the middle is speakers and the top 10 pin iso is can + cd changer control.
The upper and lower far left pins on the 10 pin iso are for canbus control, the question is does your car have 2 brown wires in its 10 pin iso plug at these positions??
I have a Becker audio 10 BE6019 Tape player A203 820 16 86 [07] and D2B 6cd changer MC3010 (A203 820 90 89) for sale, if you know anybody who is interested.
The upper and lower far left pins on the 10 pin iso are for canbus control, the question is does your car have 2 brown wires in its 10 pin iso plug at these positions??
I have a Becker audio 10 BE6019 Tape player A203 820 16 86 [07] and D2B 6cd changer MC3010 (A203 820 90 89) for sale, if you know anybody who is interested.
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That is exactly the same layout as the becker BE 6019 Audio 10 Tape deck that I removed from my W203 C320. The bottom 8 pin iso is power, the middle is speakers and the top 10 pin iso is can + cd changer control.
The upper and lower far left pins on the 10 pin iso are for canbus control, the question is does your car have 2 brown wires in its 10 pin iso plug at these positions??
I have a Becker audio 10 BE6019 Tape player A203 820 16 86 [07] and D2B 6cd changer MC3010 (A203 820 90 89) for sale, if you know anybody who is interested.
hey bro I haven't been to my car yet.
Within 2hrs I will go, and take some pictures of the ISO plug wires.
The main thing is if the first 2 pins to the left on 10 pin ISO socket carry brown color wires!
I will check for this.
Bottom ISO socket is clear in this shown picture?
I have the speed signal pulse and reverse signal: speed sensitive volume works on my car.
Sorry, I dunno anybody who drives a 203 C-klasse
These cars are not so popular among young people in Sweden
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Kowalski's back in da house!:bannana:
Here's the verdict:
Instalation went great but!
I found out:
# I have no automatic speed adjuster for volume active on the
APS30!
Not the same # pin as on my AUDIO30
I have no automatic volume level active at all!
Then I guess I have no speed pulse signal and reverse pulse signal
activated?
# When I kill the car and the radio/No power on: I hear a noise from my
speakers that lasts for about 20-30 seconds after I turned off the ignition
and the radio!
Means static noise, the same way when you crank your amp with no
music on and you only hear the static from your speakers!
This is what I hear for 20-30 seconds after I shut off everything!
#
Top ISO plug only have 3 pins connected:
1 wire color brown
1 wire color blue/black
1 wire color red/black
#
Universal GPS antenna location:
I could only find free metal space for magnet on A pillar pole under the dashboard.
There were lots of plastic covers and sound killers on inside cabin firewall,
which made it impossible to stick it with the magnet on a better place.
I guess this will give me a no good antenna signal for satelites?
The sound was awesome way better than with my stock tapedeck!
The paper dustcover on front discslot is brand new which means disc were not played much on this APS 30!
Picture 1 my stock deck AUDIO30
Picture 2 is my new deck APS30
Here's the verdict:
Instalation went great but!
I found out:
# I have no automatic speed adjuster for volume active on the
APS30!
Not the same # pin as on my AUDIO30
I have no automatic volume level active at all!
Then I guess I have no speed pulse signal and reverse pulse signal
activated?
# When I kill the car and the radio/No power on: I hear a noise from my
speakers that lasts for about 20-30 seconds after I turned off the ignition
and the radio!
Means static noise, the same way when you crank your amp with no
music on and you only hear the static from your speakers!
This is what I hear for 20-30 seconds after I shut off everything!
#
Top ISO plug only have 3 pins connected:
1 wire color brown
1 wire color blue/black
1 wire color red/black
#
Universal GPS antenna location:
I could only find free metal space for magnet on A pillar pole under the dashboard.
There were lots of plastic covers and sound killers on inside cabin firewall,
which made it impossible to stick it with the magnet on a better place.
I guess this will give me a no good antenna signal for satelites?
The sound was awesome way better than with my stock tapedeck!
The paper dustcover on front discslot is brand new which means disc were not played much on this APS 30!
Picture 1 my stock deck AUDIO30
Picture 2 is my new deck APS30
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Hi, that confirms it, looking at your 10 pin iso , in my w203 there are 5 active positions, on your w202 there are 3, these are for your cd changer, you are missing can hi and can lo, which would explain your probs.
Your APS 30 uses canbus for speed/reverse on the 10 pin iso, but as you have not got these canbus wires, you will have to manually get them from places the old way, and use postions A1 for speed pulse and maybe A2 for reverse on your 8 pin power iso. Does the unit come on and off with key??
You may have the old fashioned reverse and speed pulse on your 8 pin power iso aswell as ignition, please post a pic of the 8 pin power iso, not the 8 pin speaker iso, we can take it from there.
BTW, it works in the main, just small tweeks to get it fully functional, most people would not be too bothered, about ignition, reverse, speed signals. Be happy.
Jon
Your APS 30 uses canbus for speed/reverse on the 10 pin iso, but as you have not got these canbus wires, you will have to manually get them from places the old way, and use postions A1 for speed pulse and maybe A2 for reverse on your 8 pin power iso. Does the unit come on and off with key??
You may have the old fashioned reverse and speed pulse on your 8 pin power iso aswell as ignition, please post a pic of the 8 pin power iso, not the 8 pin speaker iso, we can take it from there.
BTW, it works in the main, just small tweeks to get it fully functional, most people would not be too bothered, about ignition, reverse, speed signals. Be happy.
Jon
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Hey bud, my deck dies with the ignition off!
I can manually hit the ON button on my APS30 without the ignition on and the APS30 fires up!
You're saying I need to take another picture of the wires for the bottom ISO plug?
Cool, the fact is, we have now established that your late w202 does not use canbus. The fact that the unit goes off when you turn the ignition off means the w202's have an active ignition +12v at position A7 on the bottom 8 way power iso, also the fact that the unit comes on again means you also have an active permanant +12v at position A4 on the bottom 8 way power iso. All good, less work, all you need now is speed sense which should be position A1 on the bottom 8 way power iso, you may need to get this new feed yourself using new wire from a point in the drivers/passengers footwell upto the headunit. Also if you want reverse, you may need to bring this from another point upto the head unit, why do you need reverse?? Are you sure the speed sense is not there???
The 'feedback' sound you speak of does not sound good, please ask the seller if that unit has ever been repaired, that does not sound normal.
There are good people on this forum with the knowledge of where to take speed pulse and reverse signals from, in a w202, maybe post a new topic, then when you know where, take the car to a good auto electrician and get them to bring these 2 new feeds upto your APS 30 and connect them to positions A1 and A2 on the 8 way power iso, but check your 8 way power iso as these feeds might already be there, you never know.
Hope for the best matey..
The 'feedback' sound you speak of does not sound good, please ask the seller if that unit has ever been repaired, that does not sound normal.
There are good people on this forum with the knowledge of where to take speed pulse and reverse signals from, in a w202, maybe post a new topic, then when you know where, take the car to a good auto electrician and get them to bring these 2 new feeds upto your APS 30 and connect them to positions A1 and A2 on the 8 way power iso, but check your 8 way power iso as these feeds might already be there, you never know.
Hope for the best matey..
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Hey Cyberflex.
Thanks for the input.
About the feedback noise it's just low noise hardly noticeble!
But I can hear it when the deck is shut off!
You think it's broken?
The sound is powerful and all the gadgets work when I tested the settings!
Maybe the ISO plug # pins are not the same for this APS 30 as it was mentioned for AUDIO30 CC?
Is it necessary to have the REVERSE signal wire installed?
Thanks
Thanks for the input.
About the feedback noise it's just low noise hardly noticeble!
But I can hear it when the deck is shut off!
You think it's broken?
The sound is powerful and all the gadgets work when I tested the settings!
Maybe the ISO plug # pins are not the same for this APS 30 as it was mentioned for AUDIO30 CC?
Is it necessary to have the REVERSE signal wire installed?
Thanks
Sorry to interrupt on this thread, but it's all on-topic of connections/pinouts on the Becker Audio 30 APS so it seemed appropriate
I have a Becker BE4705 sitting around that I'm hoping to use.
I'm aware that the bottom two ISO connections are for the usual speakers/power etc. I had it fitted into a previous car a while back and it did work ok with the standard ISO connections.
On the picture that Jay posted (of a Generic non-MB Becker I assume
) it describes the top connections as C1/C2/C3 etc - with C1 providing an audio line-level output.I am pretty sure that the MB/Becker BE4705 that I have is the same as shown in the following pic:-
Obviously the pin arrangement is quite different (fewer pins, not staggered etc). I assume this is for use with the MB CD-changer systems?
My question is:-
Is there any kind of line-level audio output available from any of these pins?
If not, is there an easy way around this. I'm thinking perhaps that you could tap into the audio before the onboard amp stage. Anyone seen/done similar with Becker units before?
On another note - if you need any more info/details/pics from my BE4705 model just let me know
Any ideas most welcomed
Will
Hi Kowalski,
To be honest fella, it does not seem right to have any kind of feedback noise, but if it is not too bad then leave it,do you have bose or non amplified?
No you do not need reverse, some aftermarket stuff need it because of reverse camera input, so when you select reverse the screen shows the area at the rear of the car, for sat nav all you really need is speed pulse.
Hey Will, interesting point, if your unit uses two 8 pin iso's and a 10 pin iso like the one I removed from my w203 c320, then the honest answer is I do not know, with respect to the 10 pin iso in my car position C1 was can HI, C2 was can LO, C4,C5 and C6 were power and wakeup for the cd changer in the glove compartment, but that still leaves C3,C7,C8,C9 and C10, any of which could be a non amplified pre out signal that you want, or they could just be dummies. As my w203 does not have bose, I cannot be sure, but my understanding is that audio signal to the cd changer, bose amp, handsfree are all via the D2B fibre and MOST fibre in later cars.
The best way to do it is to use a speaker out to RCA convertor, when I was 17, I would cringe at that, I just thought ' I would never put such a low quality signal into my Alpine amp, however I am not 17 anymore, I am 33, things have moved on, and there are some really high quality speaker output to RCA convertors using the latest technology, infact in my mini I have factory fit, so called hifi upgrade, with satnav, dab, tv, usb, bluetooth, using MOST to communicate via fibre, I want to add a small sub and was looking into this myself, if you want one of these convertors, speak to a guy called David at safe'n'sound in Croyden, I travelled to him to get the kenwood unit I installed in the W203, he knows his stuff and he showed me these high quality convertors, I am unsure as to whether Dension have a unit that can translate a D2B signal into an analogue signal, I doubt it, so go for a high quality convertor.
Jon
To be honest fella, it does not seem right to have any kind of feedback noise, but if it is not too bad then leave it,do you have bose or non amplified?
No you do not need reverse, some aftermarket stuff need it because of reverse camera input, so when you select reverse the screen shows the area at the rear of the car, for sat nav all you really need is speed pulse.
Hey Will, interesting point, if your unit uses two 8 pin iso's and a 10 pin iso like the one I removed from my w203 c320, then the honest answer is I do not know, with respect to the 10 pin iso in my car position C1 was can HI, C2 was can LO, C4,C5 and C6 were power and wakeup for the cd changer in the glove compartment, but that still leaves C3,C7,C8,C9 and C10, any of which could be a non amplified pre out signal that you want, or they could just be dummies. As my w203 does not have bose, I cannot be sure, but my understanding is that audio signal to the cd changer, bose amp, handsfree are all via the D2B fibre and MOST fibre in later cars.
The best way to do it is to use a speaker out to RCA convertor, when I was 17, I would cringe at that, I just thought ' I would never put such a low quality signal into my Alpine amp, however I am not 17 anymore, I am 33, things have moved on, and there are some really high quality speaker output to RCA convertors using the latest technology, infact in my mini I have factory fit, so called hifi upgrade, with satnav, dab, tv, usb, bluetooth, using MOST to communicate via fibre, I want to add a small sub and was looking into this myself, if you want one of these convertors, speak to a guy called David at safe'n'sound in Croyden, I travelled to him to get the kenwood unit I installed in the W203, he knows his stuff and he showed me these high quality convertors, I am unsure as to whether Dension have a unit that can translate a D2B signal into an analogue signal, I doubt it, so go for a high quality convertor.
Jon
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