I just bought an MB AUDIO 30 APS

[noogieman]

Sorry to interrupt on this thread, but it's all on-topic of connections/pinouts on the Becker Audio 30 APS so it seemed appropriate

I have a Becker BE4705 sitting around that I'm hoping to use.

On another note - if you need any more info/details/pics from my BE4705 model just let me know

Any ideas most welcomed

Will

Hey Will does your BE4705 have the same amount of pins on 10 pin ISO socket as shown on this picture?
When I look at my BE4715 the pins are not the same as the BE4705!
If you count the 10 pin ISO socket they don't match.

Can you take a good photo of the complete ISO plug sockets on your deck?
So all the pins are shown
Thanks

 

[noogieman]

Cyberflex.
Yes my car have BOSE HIFI with amp and a telephone built in the original MB AUDIO 30 CC.

 

[Will]

Cheers for the replies guys.

It's a bit of a long story with my BE4705. It's a fully working unit, but one of the audio channels has some slight distortion on it, caused by a faulty speaker in a previous installation. Originally I think it caused the unit to shut down but it is/has been working fine other than for a bit of cracking/distortion on this one channel. Using a pre-amp stage output for one pair of channels might be a solution to this problem for me.

I'll pop it out of the car and take a picture for you later today

Will

 

[noogieman]

Cheers for the replies guys.

It's a bit of a long story with my BE4705. It's a fully working unit, but one of the audio channels has some slight distortion on it, caused by a faulty speaker in a previous installation. Originally I think it caused the unit to shut down but it is/has been working fine other than for a bit of cracking/distortion on this one channel. Using a pre-amp stage output for one pair of channels might be a solution to this problem for me.

I'll pop it out of the car and take a picture for you later today

Will

That's mighty kind of you Sir.
Much obliged.

Yes that's the word some low distortion noise from the speakers when I turned off the ignition and the radio dies!
Then I have this low distortion noise for about 15-20 seconds from my speakers as a side effect after I removed the keys and everything is dead silent in the car!

Your BE4715 is also with D2B fiber optics?

What color did your speed pulse sensor wire have?
Isn't the color of this wire the same on all Benzes?
In that case I maybe have to remove the side kicker panel down the passengers footwell on A pillar and to hi-jack this wire?
I will talk to my friendly mechanic before.

Is this speed pulse wire located down there?
Thanks

 

[cyberflex]

Hi Kowalski,
I do not think you need to find the speed pulse wire, according to previous posts on here, if you have a GREEN/PURPLE wire at position 1 on ISO A(the power 8 pin iso), you already have speed pulse.
Also, some units require a reverse signal for my reasons above, but have just also read that some satnavs like to know when the car is going backwards, so they can update the map in motion... Never noticed this before on my Mini, but makes sense. Most people do not bother as they are travelling forwards most of the time..LOL... But saying that, knowing me, if the unit had the option, I would connect it..
Try checking the fibre optic connections also, these are delicate and if they have been distorted, from reading what others say, could lead to a poor quality signal...
Also check all your iso connections are firmly seated as well as the D2B fibre, maybe the noise will go away.

Will, that sounds good mate.

Cheers guys.
Jon

 

[noogieman]

Hey bud.
I'll gut it up again to check for you, to be sure,
the PIN #1 on ISO socket A has the green/purple colored wire!

It's strange that I couldn't hear the volume increase in strenght when I drove my AMG faster?

I have pressed the plugs all the way in to be sure that nothin's loose!
Maybe I forgot to check em' all.


When MB launched these APS 30 decks they come with different model names 4705 4715 4716 4717 etc etc.
Was it only software updates done on newer models?
Did all these decks play burned cd's without any problems?

Cheers buddy

 

[cyberflex]

hi dude,
Glad you have speed pulse, yeah, I was wondering why the model number you have was slightly diferent to the one Will has, even though they are both APS 30, Only the experts on here will know the differences, so hopefully someone will chime in soon.
Cheers.

 

[noogieman]

hi dude,
Glad you have speed pulse, yeah, I was wondering why the model number you have was slightly diferent to the one Will has, even though they are both APS 30, Only the experts on here will know the differences, so hopefully someone will chime in soon.
Cheers.

whaaz up lad!

I'll check for the green/purple wire tomorrow.
until then lets wait for betta answers about the difference for these radio models.

here som updates photos of my car Mercedes C43 AMG (1999) - GARAGET - www.garaget.org
cheers

 

[cyberflex]

Oh I see, sorry fella, thought you already checked, sorry, hope you have it anyway.
Nice Ride!!

 

[noogieman]

hElLo Cyberflex

This is Kowalski again.
I have now gutted my fish today, I mean my car.

Here it goes:
ISO socket A wires:
I have numbered them as positioned from the ISO plug A:
1 3 5 7
2 4 6 8
Is this the correct position on ISO A?

#1 green/purple
#2 green/red
#3 yellow/black
#4 red/blue thick wire
#5 white/blue
#6 grey/blue
#7 pink/green thick wire
#8 brown thick wire

Should #1 be the speed pulse signal?

The reverse pulse signal?
Where is this positioned #pin?
Is it #2?


I went to the stealership and talked to Boss friend!

I told him about the distortion from speakers after ignition off/radio off!
He said this is normal.
He said it's like the amp or the radio is discharging power a few seconds after shutoff!
I hear the low noised distortion when everything is dead silence in my car.
This occurs about 10- about 30 sec.

To put it another way: Let off some steam Benett!
Who said this famous phrase?
My car is letting out all the juice from it's electronics according to my MB friend.
The system is emptying by it self

I guess I have nothing to be afraid of!
I tested the cd playback and it worked flawless.
I installed the navi disc it works.
Everything works great!

Now I ordered a swede manual to understand all the functions.

This upgrade was great I'll tell ya!

Cheers

 

[cyberflex]

HEY, HEY, HEY!!
You have speed pulse for sure and you have something else on A2, probably reverse.
Yeah, I guess it is just the capacitors discharging.
I am happy for you dude.
Stay in touch on here from time to time.
As they say "ITS BEEN EMOTIONAL"

 

[noogieman]

HEY, HEY, HEY!!
You have speed pulse for sure and you have something else on A2, probably reverse.
Yeah, I guess it is just the capacitors discharging.
I am happy for you dude.
Stay in touch on here from time to time.
As they say "ITS BEEN EMOTIONAL"

Buddy a huge rock just fell of my chest!
Buddy can you believe that?
I'm so frikkin' happy that I upgraded my sound system 4 cheap money!
It sounds way better now, can ya believe it?

Now I can spend some more time to help other Benz lovers with advice and my own experiance that I had with my car!
I will make a quality report of what's been bad on my car and what I had to replace.
My gift to ya all when you are goin' to buy a C43 and to know what to look 4!

Thanks for all the help you forum buddies contributed with.
Much obliged.

Cheerio:bannana:
Ta ta!

 

[topdown]

Help

I have fitted an Audio 30 from my Canbus W208 CLK into a 2002 ML. The radio will not switch off / on with the ingition and I gues the back light won' work.

What wiring changes do I need to make to fix?

 

[cyberflex]

Hi,
I am not familiar with the audio wiring of the w208 or w163, I am not going to give advice that could end up causing damage, your probs are typical, we can get them sorted, however please post up a picture of the back of your audio 30 and a clear picture of the audio plugs in the w163.
I just want to be responsible and not offer advice which could cause damage to the unit and therefore unnecessary trouble for you.
Maybe someone with knowkledge of this scenario can help, but for me I need pics or info on the exact wiring.

Cheers.

 

[topdown]

Thanks.. I have discovered tha to use this unit I need a canbus adapter as the W163 does not have Canbus. The W208 did have canbus. The canbus adapter will supply the ignition on / off signal and the 'light on signal'.

 

[cyberflex]

Hi,
Exactly the lines of what i was thinking, however i have only ever heard of canbus adaptors that translate the digital canbus signals from the cars side to analogue signals to the head unit side.
I have not come across canbus adaptors that convert analogue feeds of the car into the necessary digital input signals of a given oem canbus headunit (audio30 for example).
In other words I have only seen canbus adaptors that convert the cars digital can signals to analogue ones for aftermarket units, not the other way round.
That is not to say that they do not exist, infact i am sure some companies dealing specifically with canbus stuff must do CAN output devices that take analogue feeds as aposed to CAN input devices that output analogue feeds.

 

[npuk]

Try CANM8

 

[cyberflex]

Wow NPUK,
Nice find fella.

 

[noogieman]

Thanks.. I have discovered tha to use this unit I need a canbus adapter as the W163 does not have Canbus. The W208 did have canbus. The canbus adapter will supply the ignition on / off signal and the 'light on signal'.

hey forumbuds.
tell me what's the difference between a C-class 202 and a W163?
The latter one is more of a modern vehicle than my 202!
W163 should have canbus and all the modern electronic trickeries!

when I retrofitted my APS 30 it was bolt on no problems, it works perfect!
Why does topdown experiance problems with his instalation of this radio?

 

[cyberflex]

Hi Kowakski,
Hope you are doing good my friend,
To be honest the simple answer is I do not know, I asked topdown for pics, I guess he may post them later, until then it is difficult to say, my thinking was that maybe his model only accepts canbus for ignition, illumination, e.t.c.
But your unit was canbus and your car not, it still worked which meant that your unit was able to take canbus signals(10 way iso) but in the case they were not there, would happily take analogue feeds via the 8 way power iso.
So the honest truth is I do not know, the only logical answer is your unit was produced during a transitional period(accepting canbus signals and normal +12 v feeds) and his later unit only accepts canbus.
Seems a bit strange to me, but I guess there are many aps 30 units with slightly different model numbers thus slightly different PCB's inside.
Jon.