OP
OP
Please quote my rant?
BTW, have you chopped your pug in for a white Corsa recently by any chance?!
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BTW, have you chopped your pug in for a white Corsa recently by any chance?!
OP
OP
So no then!
Technophobe
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Close - I think it is M1 joining M621 south of Leeds. Left lanes go on to join M62.
Corsa was (prematurely) trying to get in left hand 2 lanes to go on to M62. Clearly unfamiliar with layout - there's plenty of space after the hatched section to get over to the left quite legally.
I go through this bit of motorway most days and LOTS of drivers unfamiliar with the layout try to cut across to the left hand lanes to get onto the M62. Often they are mindlessly responding to satnavs which ask driver to "move across to the left hand lane".
kianok said:
Spot on, perfectly safe manoeuvre from the camera car up to the point of the Corsa driver braking, cutting across the entry slip road then failing to comply with a double white line system. Straight up three penalty points on his part and Careless Driving had a collision ensued.
Disappointing to see people reverting to insults over something so trivial though!
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Sorry, but the safest manoeuvre would have been to ease off and pull in behind the transit. The camera car was trying to beat the transit for the sake of a few seconds. Had the Corsa not been pulling off then there would not have been a safe stopping distance between the camera car and the Corsa. It's driving like this that causes accidents as you cannot control what other people do. Yes, the Corsa was at fault but so was the camera car. Slow down people its not a racetrack.
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We'll never all agree but without knowing what cars were behind the OP or the Transit, the OP slowing down may well have delayed progress for those behind the OP and caused problems with them trying to match flow speed on the motorway and could have caused an issue in itself.
I regularly have slow cars in front joining the motorway and it makes it a lot more difficult when the motorway is busy but moving quickly.
I regularly have slow cars in front joining the motorway and it makes it a lot more difficult when the motorway is busy but moving quickly.
George Douglas said:
Whilst not fully clear from the video, it appears that lanes two and three of the main carriageway are clear with only light traffic.
There is no suggestion of excessive speed on the part of the camera car, note the speed of the Vauxhall Astravan in the nearside two lanes and the fact that the camera car is barely gaining on it. The driver is making progress in joining the motorway having selected a safe gap between the slow moving Transit and Corsa probably with a view to immediately joining lane two and continuing to overtake the Corsa without the necessity to exceed the speed limit as suggested.
When the Corsa driver makes a sudden and illegal manoeuvre the driver is able to safely react without causing danger to others. I don't see anything dangerous about the OP's driving.
Speaking from my own experience as recently retired grade one advanced Police Traffic driver with thirty years experience patrolling that very stretch of Motorway I would have had my backside kicked on an Advanced driving course had I not been prepared to join the Motorway in a similar fashion.
Had the camera car been an unmarked patrol car I'd have expected that the driver of the Corsa would have been pulled over and dealt with.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and unfortunately the camera does not give the full picture so to speak. Can't say I would have been bothered to post the video in the first place as this sort of thing is fairly routine but I don't think the OP deserves some of the comments that have been made!
Giantvanman
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Were you ever bored patrolling the same bit of road for thirty years?
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It would be an interesting exercise (in my view) to resurrect some posts and have you cast your expert eye over them and make comment on which members have something to learn and which had it right.
If nothing else, nice to have an expert in traffic law to settle disputes.
Head, parapet?
Agreed. It's still an opinion but one which carries more significant weight arguably.
I've seen one or two documentaries in the past on advanced police driving and there is no messing around in some of the manoeuvres.
Simzy
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Seems like the person with the camera in the dash has a lead foot . Ok the corsa driver made an error which we all have made in our years of driving. Not the biggest error I have seen on the roads. However the camera vehicle doesn't seem to care that there is another vehicle on the right which does NOT have to switch lanes as it has right of way. The camera vehicle is approaching to quick IMO ..I bet when he observed the error by the corsa driver that person could not wait to get home to upload the footage. Camera car drivers = utter douchebags
Giantvanman said:
Well, don't know about the expert bit! It's just a lot easier to judge when you have the video evidence so to speak.
I'm afraid I was a very lenient Traffic cop (as were quite a lot of my colleagues on the Motorway Unit). Far more interested in targeting criminals and dangerous drivers than people straying 20 mph over the speed limit on an empty motorway.
I dislike Camera Vans and Fixed cameras with the same passion and views as most and enjoy my cars just like most of us 'enthusiasts'. I also have good days and bad days as a driver like most of us, so would by no means claim to be perfect.
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So, you read the whole thread? Including post 49?
Just because post 49 is from a ex-copper doesn't make it Gospel or change my mind, for one I disagree that the camera car gave the Transit enough room, not in the slightest. (IMO)
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KillerHERTZ said:
Don't think anyone is saying it's Gospel, certainly not me. The whole incident is open to different interpretation. That's why we have Courts and solicitors to pass judgement on these things, and as we know, they sometimes get it wrong.
The entry slip road is part of the motorway and subject to the same speed limit, and as one poster has pointed out, the end of the slip road is governed by Give Way markings and a lot of motorists don't understand that they should be prepared to stop if necessary.
The driver had several options, one of which was to have entered the motorway behind the van. None of us other than the OP can comment on what was behind him both on the slip road and the motorway.
I'm just stating that in my opinion, based on the video I don't see anything dangerous or illegal in what the camera car driver did, on the other hand I don't think I'd have had too much trouble securing a conviction against the Corsa driver.
Can't understand why people get so heated about these discussions and make it personal though!
