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Sorry - too early on a Saturday. I meant there’s ‘no’ maintenance of the battery.

 

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AFAIK there are heating/cooling systems for the batteries which would presumably suffer from wear & tear / leaks / corrosion / etc. over the years, as (say) aircon systems and ICE coolant systems do.

There are - but if there’s any issue with the cooling system the car immediately slows down things such as Fast Charging rates to ensure safety. (At least this is the case on Tesla)

 

[pioneercollector]

All i can add to this is the fact that i have been running the same 4 Nissan ENV200 fully electric vehicles for the last 8+ years, we are just about to change them for the new Townstar as the ENV200 is no longer available. The only issue i can foresee with the EV is when there is a glitch in the operating system, you cannot move the vehicle! By move i mean tow, it has to be lifted and with quite a large lifting harness due to the weight. This has happened twice now.... Love to see how you could 'lift' and EV easily from inside a multi storey car park?? I have instructed all of my team not to ever park inside a building unless you have no other choice!

Apart from those couple of issues everything is as per it says on the tin, and we have covered over 350,000 miles in those four vans ....

Oh and yes tyres and brakes do wear out quicker due to the extra weight of the batteries, and yes charging points really are a bone of contention ( Luckily i installed 6 at work )

For home use i would not entertain one ( EV ) the infrastructure just isn't there and the cost of charging is all over the place - For my needs at work these have been excellent vehicles, and i am so glad that i took the hit when i did, hence replacement with the same (ish ) again. Although i have to say that the cost of the new vans is a massive hike from the generation 1 vans ( Gov grants etc circa £20k per van compared to nearly £42k per van!! )

 

[markjay]

What makes you think that an EV will be main dealer maintained after its warranty and service plan expire?

After the moment the average age of a Tesla is just over a year old. What happens when they average a decade old, like ICE vehicles. How will they be maintained when they have six figure mileages and ordinary people as owners?

But the dealer doesn't do anything to the car anyway. They check the suspension like on any car, apply software update and out it goes.

 

[Fastcar155]

Because all LRs have been mild hybrid for at least 4 years just not described as such. They all have a small electric battery to supplement the ICE

Hi , so does that mean any car with two batteries is a hybrid car , my C207 has what Mercedes call a clever alternator.

 

[zipdip]

Just come across what I think is a interesting fact the most stolen EV in the country is the Nissan Leaf.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Hi , so does that mean any car with two batteries is a hybrid car , my C207 has what Mercedes call a clever alternator.

Oh no, you’re one of “them” without even realising!

No, it doesn’t necessarily mean that your r is a mild hybrid. Most modern Mercedes have two separate batteries, one for starting and one for consumers.

 

[clk320x]

Hi , so does that mean any car with two batteries is a hybrid car , my C207 has what Mercedes call a clever alternator.

Surprised you’re still driving it with how dangerous batteries can be.

I’ve given up my mobile phone and laptop too - typing this from my 20 year old Windows XP desktop - but at least I’m safe!

 

[SpikyMikey]

Surprised you’re still driving it with how dangerous batteries can be.

I’ve given up my mobile phone and laptop too - typing this from my 20 year old Windows XP desktop - but at least I’m safe!

Ah, but what about all those nasty non ROHS compliant components?

 

[Neiltodd]

Hi , so does that mean any car with two batteries is a hybrid car , my C207 has what Mercedes call a clever alternator.

No, the battery has to assist with driving the engine giving it extra power

 

[Neiltodd]

I believe

I believe there is still one non hybrid variant available?

Possibly but I don't know which one.

 

[SmartAmg]

Possibly but I don't know which one.

Or care?

 

[Fastcar155]

No, the battery has to assist with driving the engine giving it extra power

Hi , a friend of mine has just purchased a mild KIA hybrid car and it's for a small increase of power on first gear.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Sorry - too early on a Saturday. I meant there’s ‘no’ maintenance of the battery.

So batteries in an EV can never go wrong? Nor their circuitry?

Did you know that BMW & Porsche wiring and certain plastics is attractive to small animals, who find their eco-friendliness particularly tasty? (A friend has just lost bits of plastic off his two year old Porsche and has had it off the road for six months for a replacement to come through)

Unlike the batteries in our Mercedes which do go wrong, as regularly discussed on here.

(But not my batteries, of course, as I usually have batteries more than a decade old on my cars, which continue to work perfectly well, perhaps by luck, perhaps because I can be bothered to occasionally use a battery conditioner each Autumn and when I've left the car for a while)

If electrics are so reliable, why are those glorious Audi E-Tron GT's currently being offered on more than 40% discount, with two years on the clock, and less than a handful of thousand of miles on the clock?

 

[clk320x]

So batteries in an EV can never go wrong? Nor their circuitry?

No I didn’t say that, I meant there isn’t ’routine maintenance’ as such - if a ‘cell’ fails then the entire pack is effectively bricked for safety reasons due to imbalance until it’s replaced/refurbished.

I suppose you’re right though, when people start running EVs on shoe-string budgets, dodgy ‘refurbers’ will pop up & that could be disasterous.

I take your point.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

But the dealer doesn't do anything to the car anyway. They check the suspension like on any car, apply software update and out it goes.

So why do Teslas, Tacans and E-Trons go back to the dealer to be fixed

With used vehicles languishing on dealer forecourts, like this 4k mile Audi E-Tron at two years old? (Note that it's not being offered by the Dealer network. What do Audi dealers know? That's 40% off new, by my reckoning, although I'm no Audi fan.)

 

[SpikyMikey]

With used vehicles languishing on dealer forecourts, like this 4k mile Audi E-Tron at two years old? (Note that it's not being offered by the Dealer network. What do Audi dealers know? That's 40% off new, by my reckoning, although I'm no Audi fan.)

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If its anything like my local Audi dealership, they won't touch it because apparently they aren't set up to deal with the EVs in the range (in what way they aren't set up no-one would say), as a friend of mine with an A3 E-Tron found out when his Mechatronic failed and the RAC had to take him to another dealership 35 miles away who could work on it.

 

[BTB 500]

There are - but if there’s any issue with the cooling system the car immediately slows down things such as Fast Charging rates to ensure safety. (At least this is the case on Tesla)

As I understand it the cooling system also regulates the battery temperature when driving, so a failed pump or loss of coolant (say) on an older or high mileage EV must have some potential to cause a problem? The onboard monitoring and safeguards can't be infallible or there would never be any battery fires (or 'thermal events' as the manufacturers now call them )?

 

[markjay]

So batteries in an EV can never go wrong? Nor their circuitry? ...

For example: Your ICE car has a maintenance-free 12v Lead-acid battery. No one is saying that your car's battery can never go wrong. All I am saying is that there's no maintenance involved.

This means that the conventional 12v Lead-acid battery of a car with full main dealer service history is just as likely (or unlikely) to go wrong, as the battery of a car that has not been serviced at all for the past 10 years.

In short, there's nothing that the owner - or the dealer - or anyone else - can do maintenance-wise to prevent the 12v battery from going wrong.

That was the point I made regarding the motor and battery of an EV. They are both maintenance-free. The likelihood of them going wrong is the same regardless of whether the owner does it does not take the car to dealer to be inspected at the prescribed intervals.

The idea that old EVs will become less reliable because they will be 'poorly maintained' is therefore baseless.

 

[whitenemesis]

Possibly but I don't know which one.

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