Mercedes EPC (parts catalogue) on-line - proper version !

[fredfloggle]

has anyone tried just entering some random numbers? i cant remember mine being checked?

1. The first seven digits of the VAT registration number are listed vertically.
2. Each digit is multiplied by a number, starting with 8 and decreasing to 2.
3. The sum of the multiplications is calculated.
4. 97 is subtracted from the sum as many times as is necessary to arrive at a negative number.
5. The negative number should be the same as the last 2 digits of the VAT registration number if it is valid.

Example
VAT registration number 339 0727 47​

3 *8 = 24
3 *7 = 21
9 *6 = 54
0 *5 = 0
7 *4 = 28
2 *3 = 6
7 *2 = 14

Total = 147
147 - 97 = 50 - 97 = - 47
As the negative number(- 47) is the same as the last two digits of the VAT number, the number is valid.​

Be careful playing with VAT numbers - you could be committing fraud

 

[stats007]

I used a supermarket till receipt for a VAT number...

 

[jaymanek]

I used a supermarket till receipt for a VAT number...

lol, i like the thinking!

 

[fredfloggle]

I used a supermarket till receipt for a VAT number...

Ah OK - I'm pretty sure that is probably deception - I really would be very careful doing something like that .

 

[Fandango]

Ah OK - I'm pretty sure that is probably deception - ...

Hmm, not really. Unless you use it to obtain goods or services for financial gain.

 

[stats007]

Ah OK - I'm pretty sure that is probably deception - I really would be very careful doing something like that .

I'm a big boy now, thanks all the same .

 

[fredfloggle]

You are , and to use another persons VAT number to obtain an advantage is deception - you ( more correctly HMCE) don't have to prove a financial gain - it is deception .

I charge VAT - if I use someone elses VAT number on an Invoice , I don't make anything out of it but I'm pretty sure that the revenue will have a few words to say about it - gain or not.

If you are sure , why don't you ring up the local VAT office and see what they say (and 141 doesn't work). You are being asked for a VAT number for a reason - you don't know yet whether the provider is claiming any relief based on this you also don't know who is reading this - VAT officers also have Mercs.

 

[fredfloggle]

I'm a big boy now, thanks all the same .

Do you know - I couldn't care less - It isn't me you have to worry about, only HMCE . Just as well you are a "big boy" - will help when they come around with the rubber gloves .

 

[television]

Well I will give it a go with my old VAT number from 1985, it does not ask if it is still current. I worked hard for that number, mind you they hated me for all of my work then was Zero rated and the only ever paid me back

The Russian site only goes to 2005

 

[stats007]

You are , and to use another persons VAT number to obtain an advantage is deception - you ( more correctly HMCE) don't have to prove a financial gain - it is deception .

I charge VAT - if I use someone elses VAT number on an Invoice , I don't make anything out of it but I'm pretty sure that the revenue will have a few words to say about it - gain or not.

If you are sure , why don't you ring up the local VAT office and see what they say (and 141 doesn't work). You are being asked for a VAT number for a reason - you don't know yet whether the provider is claiming any relief based on this you also don't know who is reading this - VAT officers also have Mercs.

A perfect example of how internet forums can blow things way out of proportion .

 

[television]

You are , and to use another persons VAT number to obtain an advantage is deception - you ( more correctly HMCE) don't have to prove a financial gain - it is deception .

I charge VAT - if I use someone elses VAT number on an Invoice , I don't make anything out of it but I'm pretty sure that the revenue will have a few words to say about it - gain or not.

If you are sure , why don't you ring up the local VAT office and see what they say (and 141 doesn't work). You are being asked for a VAT number for a reason - you don't know yet whether the provider is claiming any relief based on this you also don't know who is reading this - VAT officers also have Mercs.

MB need a VAT number as they pay the VAT on the sale, No tax inspector could cross check every part or service sold by MB, plus this is only for the country where the sale is made. For the UK Customs and excise to be involved is impossible and they are better off not knowing, as this would be on the intput side of the UK claimants business, this is money claimed back. With a false number the money is not and cant be claimed back, so no real fraud or gain has occurred

 

[230K]

Ah OK - I'm pretty sure that is probably deception - I really would be very careful doing something like that .

Using the Russian Version of EPC would be a bigger crime me thinks.

230K

 

[jaymanek]

chill out guys, its only £15 a year, VAT man probably has bigger crimes to deal with!

 

[fredfloggle]

MB need a VAT number as they pay the VAT on the sale, No tax inspector could cross check every part or service sold by MB, plus this is only for the country where the sale is made. For the UK Customs and excise to be involved is impossible and they are better off not knowing, as this would be on the intput side of the UK claimants business, this is money claimed back. With a false number the money is not and cant be claimed back, so no real fraud or gain has occurred

You don't need a VAT number to charge output tax .

Actually people can and do get away with charging VAT without being registered - until at some point the number comes up rather like a luck lotto ball and things start to happen - the they get to pay back a lot of money and go to prison - HMCE actively encourage snitching (whistle blowing) .

Assuming you get to read this then you possibly have access to the web - in a very short time given a little info (post code and date you moved in- the sort of stuff that gets casually passed on) - we can lift the LR detail for your house (assuming you are a home owner) - so I know who you are , who your mortgage (if any) is with , then we can start finding some real stuff out . All this for a coulpe of quid . So HMCE have bigger fish to fry - don't kid yourself that they consider any VAT fraud (call it what you like) to be a victimless crime , and some of these guys would put their own mother in prison for not having a dog license - they have interesting powers of entry - much greater than Plod , and access to some pretty powerful information sources .

The validation for a valid VAT number is an easy checksum - also easy is to find out if a VAT number is not only valid but if it is current and if a deferment account is in place - put it to the test , those who used a dodgy / out of date VAT number - post it here for a little fun check .

I had my fun with HMCE some years ago and I don't want to play any more .

 

[television]

You don't need a VAT number to charge output tax .

Actually people can and do get away with charging VAT without being registered - until at some point the number comes up rather like a luck lotto ball and things start to happen - the they get to pay back a lot of money and go to prison - HMCE actively encourage snitching (whistle blowing) .

Assuming you get to read this then you possibly have access to the web - in a very short time given a little info (post code and date you moved in- the sort of stuff that gets casually passed on) - we can lift the LR detail for your house (assuming you are a home owner) - so I know who you are , who your mortgage (if any) is with , then we can start finding some real stuff out . All this for a coulpe of quid . So HMCE have bigger fish to fry - don't kid yourself that they consider any VAT fraud (call it what you like) to be a victimless crime , and some of these guys would put their own mother in prison for not having a dog license - they have interesting powers of entry - much greater than Plod , and access to some pretty powerful information sources .

The validation for a valid VAT number is an easy checksum - also easy is to find out if a VAT number is not only valid but if it is current and if a deferment account is in place - put it to the test , those who used a dodgy / out of date VAT number - post it here for a little fun check .

I had my fun with HMCE some years ago and I don't want to play any more .

Its only wording, if you are not VAT registered you cannot give a VAT invoice, you can inflate you repair invoice to cover any VAT that you paid for parts, but you cant call it VAT and you will be in big trouble if you word your invoice £XXX plus VAT

 

[stats007]

Fred, I've found you a suitable Avatar

 

[richard]

MB need a VAT number as they pay the VAT on the sale

Malcolm, a VAT registered business does not need to know the VAT number of each of its customers, it just follows the "rules" and adds VAT to sales where appropriate.

However, If a UK VAT registered business is making taxable supplies to another VAT registered business in Europe (but not in UK), then if it has a valid VAT number (checked on some webpage !) then it doesn't have to charge the VAT. It notes the total of such sales (and purchases made from other european VAT registerd businesses) in a special box on the VAT return form it submits every quarter.

I think this is mirrored in other European states (i.e you charge VAT to everyone in your home country, to retail customers in rest of Europe and to European businesses that havent give you a valid VAT number).

So, I suspect MB collects the VAT number so it doesn't have to charge the VAT to other European customers. So if you give a fake VAT number and they don't charge you, then you are fraudulently evading VAT

My EPCnet registration, I left the VAT number blank, and it worked fine and charged me the VAT.

Obviouslty I havent tried it with a valid VAT number to see if it does not charge me the VAT.

Richard

 

[television]

Yes Richard you are correct

 

[fredfloggle]

Fred, I've found you a suitable Avatar

Unfortunately the one I found for you with a rubber glove wasn't suitable for posting .

I tend to look on the bad side of things - knowing I won't be disappointed .

So you see stats - if you now expect to have a "stretch" , and you get one , then you won't be troubled .

Richard seems to have the right idea .

 

[stats007]

Fred you're quite funny in your pessimism. I think Clarkson was directly referring to you in his Times article a few weeks ago .