Misunderstood Youth of Today.

[ceejaySL]

And what happened to the parent?

You'll have guessed. Nothing. Not enough evidence for the police to prosecute. Apparently.

(Teacher was off for many months - came back briefly to the school and then left. I think they left teaching completly.)

 

[ceejaySL]

I keep contemplating taking on a apprentice.

There are a couple of reasons why I decided not to.

1. (generally) 16 year old kids of today have little respect for authority and are lippy, disrespectful, and not hard working.

2. I am worried about them stealing my tools etc.

Don't give up. You will find the right one. And you will change their life as a result.

Problem is that the emphasis on academic succes has raised the expectations of many of the good practical children so they move on to become unemployed IT technicians rather then apprentice engineers. Means the real numpties that would have been the labourer or dogsbody apply - and don't have the smarts to make it work.

I guess that fuels the inadequecy - and the revolt - leading to incidents like this tragic murder as a way of them getting control of something in their lives.

 

[recycled]

Funny there is always evidence for NIP even though the accused has to provide it themselves

 

[Howard]

Just this weekend , there were kids ( 14/15 yrs old ) swimming off our tail layby ....

I went and asked them to move on (nicely) as we were very busy and there was a lot of boat traffic ... I explained that if it had been quiet , while technically they shouldn't be there , i wouldn't mind as they weren't doing any harm , but at the moment, it was dangerous for them to swim there ...

All i got was a load of abuse , so even the nice approach doesn't work ...

Amazing how quick they moved when i dumped one and three quarter million gallons of water out of the lock right through where they were swimming

 

[BlackC55]

Just this weekend , there were kids ( 14/15 yrs old ) swimming off our tail layby ....

I went and asked them to move on (nicely) as we were very busy and there was a lot of boat traffic ... I explained that if it had been quiet , while technically they shouldn't be there , i wouldn't mind as they weren't doing any harm , but at the moment, it was dangerous for them to swim there ...

All i got was a load of abuse , so even the nice approach doesn't work ...

Amazing how quick they moved when i dumped one and three quarter million gallons of water out of the lock right through where they were swimming

Nice one.

 

[glojo]

I keep contemplating taking on a apprentice.

There are a couple of reasons why I decided not to.

1. (generally) 16 year old kids of today have little respect for authority and are lippy, disrespectful, and not hard working.

2. I am worried about them stealing my tools etc.

You will get HUGE satisfaction out of passing on your skills, of course there are some 'know it alls' out there, but generally if you can get a youngster on their own they tend to be completely different. No one is perfect but what about giving the apprentice a few tools and show how much you trust them? If your as good as everyone says you are (I'm sure you are) Then your skills will soon be passed on.

Go for it.

Regards
John

 

[R2e]

At the risk of sounding like a Daily Mail reader ( ) it seems clear to me that we have lost the concept of discipline. This has been deteriorating for a number of years, possibly fed by the hippy ideals of the 60's, and now we are where we are, kids and young people are out of control. Obviously not all, there are still parents around who bring their kids up properly and are likely to have less problems. Kids at school who misbehave are eventually barred - what a punishment! - educate them less and reward their yob tendencies. My father, a teacher all his life and a good one, would be horrified. He rarely if ever had to resort to corporal punishment, but it was always there if the situation became uncontrollable. What do poor teachers have nowadays when the situation becomes uncontrollable? More than likely some smart kid will accuse them of abuse, and disgrace, suspension and a long drawn out tribunal follows.

My son, now 25, asked me the other day if binge drinking really was a new thing, hadn't it always been there. I really don't think so. When I was young I went out to enjoy myself, drinking was something that enhanced the occasion, and the result may have been getting totally wasted on occasion. I never went out with the sole intention of getting wasted.

Doubtless there will eventually be a swing in opinion and we'll return to the Victorian methods and send the little B******s up chimneys .

 

[grober]

Kevlar Hoodies.

This says it all really. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...+protect+pupils+from+knife+attacks/article.do

 

[BonzoDog]

One day, in around twenty years time, many of these kids will be repeating these comments. It has always been so.

 

[glojo]

My son, now 25, asked me the other day if binge drinking really was a new thing, hadn't it always been there. I really don't think so. When I was young I went out to enjoy myself, drinking was something that enhanced the occasion, and the result may have been getting totally wasted on occasion. I never went out with the sole intention of getting wasted.

Speaking as someone that in their youth invested a good proportion of their pay in the stocks and shares of numerous breweries, I would say that drinking has always been an issue but today it would appear that youngsters think it clever to attempt to drink a whole bottle of spirits and THAT was most definitely NOT something I ever saw. Beer if you were well off, or scrumpy if you were desperate. Another major thing that is often voiced,

"I'm bored and there is nothing to do!"

What a pathetic, whinging excuse. Give them a Youth Centre, skateboard park etc and they would trash it. Ask them to actually do something and you will get a blank stare. Of course there are some great kids out there, but are they the majority? They might be, but the minority makes the most noise and attracts the most attention.

How many members of this forum continually, habitually criticise the police? Is this a good example for our youth. If dad does it, then why can't I?

John

 

[recycled]

I really do not think that criticising the police has much to do with bad youth upbringing. in fact if a kid hears his dad criticising the ills of the police or the justice system then it is a good thing.
It means bad behaviour whether you are police or not will not be tolerated.


As for the point it has always been so.
What has? the drinking or the killing and stabing of teenagers and elderly by teenagers?

The point i am making is the law has got its priorities wrong. If i have a pound left in my account, i would buy some bread with it if i am hungry. not pay my mortgage even though that is very important as well

 

[Gollom]

I just have to say that I know a great number of respectful and worthwhile youths. I know of a small number of yobs who I would gladly ship to a remote island.

Let's keep it in perspective - I'm not denying there is a problem but like someone said, you only ever hear the bad stuff.

 

[James Fearn]

How many members of this forum continually, habitually criticise the police? Is this a good example for our youth. If dad does it, then why can't I?

John

Great comment mate.

Goes back to the fact that because the police cant do their jobs properly, i.e. being hampered with vast amounts of paperwork, laws that are brought in to aid the criminals rather than punish them etc more and more people are increasingly critical of them. Its not that the police dont want to help us its just that their hands are tied by the policy makers.

 

[glojo]

I really do not think that criticising the police has much to do with bad youth upbringing. in fact if a kid hears his dad criticising the ills of the police or the justice system then it is a good thing.
It means bad behaviour whether you are police or not will not be tolerated.

If dad continually criticises the police, teachers and others then how on earth can this parent condemn their child for doing the exact same thing? If the child talks in class and the teacher asks them to be quiet, then I can already hear the reply, "Why should I, my dad says all teachers are stupid!"

If a police officer asks the child to do something and they give the same reply, then where does it all end?

I am not saying recycled is incorrect, I am merely suggesting he and I might have differing standards of what is acceptable.

John

 

[recycled]

Goes back to the fact that because the police cant do their jobs properly, i.e. being hampered with vast amounts of paperwork, laws that are brought in to aid the criminals rather than punish them etc more and more people are increasingly critical of them. Its not that the police dont want to help us its just that their hands are tied by the policy makers
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I doubt it mate . they always seem to have time to hide behind bushes with devices ,
or maybe too many are enforcing traffic laws and not too many are bothering with other aspects.
but like you said ,
great comment
I believe the whole system needs overhauling. The justice system and law enforcement.
But then they can always bring their statistics that far more deaths occur on the roads than anywhere else, even though i doubt that if you add assault, affray ,battery on a weekeend night ,domestic and all the others they would not be more than road accidents.

Like i said get the priorities right. Filling paperwork is not more important than keeping the peace on the streets.
Oh i forgot we now have CSO chaps or rent-a-cops for that

 

[BonzoDog]

Kids today are much more worldly wise because this is an information age. People including kids are better informed about just around everything. That has little to do with drunken behaviour and yobbish behaviour which is a big problem in UK to the point where it would seem to be almost out of control. (But it doesn't include all kids).
Is this a problem around the World? I can comment on Luxembourg and Germany and say that it is far less of a problem. Common in Germany are wine festivals. Frankfurt for example has several over the summer. If it were Britain they would be ravaged by drunken yobs but in Germany it is rare to see a drunk let alone a bunch of drunken youths behaving yobbishly.
Germany in its schools and social attitudes is extremely liberal, almost hippyish and the hands off, don't touch the little darlings attitude is possibly stronger than in Britain. Thus I would conclude that it has nothing to do witha lack of corporal punishment or discipline. Germany also suffers from weak family structures just as much as UK. One difference is that it is much more traditional with a firm belief in education and earning an honest living.
It's not to say that there aren't problems. I have been to football matches where the tension and displays especially from fans of teams form the old East are appalling in terms of the level of racism and subdued violence.
So no answers but I don't think the answer is more of kicking them up the backside and making them join the army, although that could well provide the type of rooted background that could help everybody.

 

[recycled]

Fair spoken bonzo
there is trouble everywhere. No easy solution.
i would say though (my own personal experience) i have had to call the politie in holland 5 times, two for loud party music, two for drinking kids and gangs and one when a friend locked his car key with a child inside.
They all appeared in 10-15mins.

I have had to call police here on several occasions and i am sorry but the truth is they have only turned up once.
once for a hit and run on my street,and they took 45mins and came when the ambulance was already on its way out and started to stop it .
Abandoned car on the street for 4weeks no show, quadbikes on fields and pavements, no show, fella assaulting his girlfriend on the street in broad daylight, no show. The list goes on
i know i do not live in the best of areas but we are entitiled to some support.
maybe it is better in other parts but i can only speak for my own side of the country.
People are getting frustrated. It does not help with early releases and stuff and dodgy sentencing

 

[Shude]

My nephew has just told me to stop telling him that crime does not pay, because he has not done a thing wrong in his life, but he is fuming because three bullies in his school have just gone to the alps on free reward trips paid for by you and me when his own parents can not even afford to take him to the lake district. reason: they were good in the last month. What about those being good for the last 10yrs

During my entire school career I was missing for a total of something like 3 days (consecutive) due to a problem with a neck muscle, otherwise perfect attendance record. The troublesome kids who repeatedly skived school or lessons were given £5 Smiths vouchers every month for simply turning up when they were supposed to. We're talking about 15 years ago here, I know £5 doesn't sound like much but that's ~£15 in today's money and a lot for a schoolkid at the time!

Needless to say this wasn't a popular decision by the school. It should not be neccessary to bribe kids to attend and for those that normally did attend it felt like punishment.

 

[BlackC55]

Fair spoken bonzo
there is trouble everywhere. No easy solution.
i would say though (my own personal experience) i have had to call the politie in holland 5 times, two for loud party music, two for drinking kids and gangs and one when a friend locked his car key with a child inside.
They all appeared in 10-15mins.

I have had to call police here on several occasions and i am sorry but the truth is they have only turned up once.
once for a hit and run on my street,and they took 45mins and came when the ambulance was already on its way out and started to stop it .
Abandoned car on the street for 4weeks no show, quadbikes on fields and pavements, no show, fella assaulting his girlfriend on the street in broad daylight, no show.
i know i do not live in the best of areas but we are entitiled to some support.
maybe it is better in other parts but i can only speak for my own side of the country.

I have had the same experiance.

A young girl was being beaten by a gang of girls outside my flat.

First thing I did was ring the old bill

Second thing was to dress myself (middle of the night)!!

Then I wnt down to confront them. I must admit it was a bit daunting but confronted them anyway and they gave a barrage of abuse towards me and left the beaten girl alone.

The police took ages to arrive, at least 40 mins. The ambulance too 20 mins too!

I kept a pick axe handle by the front door after that just incase. There was a coulpe of incidents where people tried to roll over Smart cars.(happend a few times im Pompey).

 

[merc man]

ive had a few problems with some teenagers, the best way to deal with it, is by giving them a taste of their own medicine and do it to ther parents cars! dont hassle yourself by trying to argue or fight fight them, it just fuels them on. plus you get the enjoyment of seeing them walk as their parents cars are not 'working'

if you cant beat them at their own game join them, thats my new moto.