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Misunderstood Youth of Today.

Its not always like that here. That area is just notorious for all kinds.
Even two law enforcement chaps who live there have been done for dodgy dealings
 
Swiss Toni said:
Don't worry, its not that the country is getting any less safe, its that you are getting older :D
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I disagree with this for the pure fact is that alot of children today have no respect for people or property for many reasons, which can not alone be blamed on parenting but also laws put in place to protect them, and lack of punishment for most of the so called little crimes they do full well knowing they will get away with it.
 
jpskiller said:
I disagree with this for the pure fact is that alot of children today have no respect for people or property for many reasons, which can not alone be blamed on parenting but also laws put in place to protect them, and lack of punishment for most of the so called little crimes they do full well knowing they will get away with it.
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You may have seen this report about a sausage throwing incident. It was described elsewhere as a 'Just William sort of prank' but read the detail:

:eek: Should 12 year olds be so disrespectful to 74 y.o. pensioners? You may be one yourself, sometime.

:eek: His mother apparently thinks it is OK - 'utter joke'

:eek: 12 years old - 'he takes sleeping tablets anyway' :crazy: Yeah, probably drinks Sunny Delight as well.

:eek: He had previously been reprimanded three times - so he's a good boy, then.

To me this has all the hallmarks of zero parenting of another feral youth whose 'pranks' will escalate until he assaults somebody with something more dangerous than a sausage.

So, where do you draw the line?

Note, of course, no mention of a father - probably in clink.

And if the picture really is of her, she clearly models for a Viz cartoon.
 
On the train home tonight, approx midnight, Edinburgh to my home, 3 young guys and 2 young girls, shouting and swearing thinking they were rounding the night off fine style.

Utter idiots, imposing their idea of a fine night out on everyone else. No guard on the train, noone interested in calling a halt to their idiocies. I was sorely tempted to do so but had to consider that I might easily have become the one of interest to the police instead of them.

Don't drive, get the bus or train and get treated like a 5th class s**t by any scrote that travels with you. What a fine transport policy / system we have.
 
The father of the murdered 11 year old has just been on the national news. :o :o I'm no fan of these interviews but anyone with any modicum of decency would feel for these poor, poor parents. An 11 year old shot in the back of the neck!

The suspect to this horrific murder is believed to possibly be aged between 13 - 15 years of age? What law could be introduced to deter this type of thuggery? It is possible the culprit will simply say they never realised guns can kill. There is no new laws that can be introduced that will prevent this very rare event from happening. Would capital punishment prevent or act as a deterrent? What court would hang a 13 year old child?

This country has a problem and it will not get any better until we ALL accept responsibility for our own behaviour and that of our off-springs.

Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime. What an absolute insult to all of us law abiding citizens.

My thoughts are with the parents of Rhys Jones and hopefully they will get strength from each other to cope with this very tragic loss.

Yours sincerely
John
 
glojo said:
There is no new laws that can be introduced that will prevent this very rare event from happening. Would capital punishment prevent or act as a deterrent? What court would hang a 13 year old child?

This country has a problem and it will not get any better until we ALL accept responsibility for our own behaviour and that of our off-springs.
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Punish the parents, you said it yourself. For a lot of children this will have an impact, especially if they end up going into foster homes or residential schools for "special" children because their parents are in prison.

Sadly for some children just like for some adults there is no deterrent; they simply don't care about anything or anyone.
 
I'm afraid it will all be forgotten in a couple of weeks and nothing will change. rather than horror, the perpetrators will be now seen as real 'proven' hard men (boys). In this type of culture there is a real moral and ethical vacuum which feeds off macho roles of street honour far distant form that to which most of us relate. The authorities, police and the law are completely irrelevant in this context. Indeed if the law does catch up with them in the reverse world of morality in which they live, it is a further badge of honour to have been found guilty and to have been imprisoned.
The temptation in some qurters is to advocate the type of measures that have been taken in some South American countries and I trust that we will not descend to that.
I can only think that soem form of national Service woudl be the only practical way to provide a structure and to teach these kids the value of perosnal discipline, team work, usable working skills and satisfaction in a useful job well done.
 
Shude said:
Sadly for some children just like for some adults there is no deterrent; they simply don't care about anything or anyone.
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I agree with all your sentiments and by the time a child can articulate those thoughts then we have lost the battle. (not perhaps the war) How can we instill decency, moral values and respect for our fellow human being, when our piers lack these very qualities. Do TV soaps encourage this? Do they encourage marriage or long term relationships or is it more about wine, women and song?

I cannot see an easy cure as we have slid too far down the moral ladder but look at cultures that still have these values that I tend to prattle on about. We all say the Middle East has strict laws and punishments regarding crime, but the most important thing they have is the old fashioned family upbringing. They are 100% right and we are 100% wrong but woe betide any lunatic that puts their head above the parapet and dares to attempt to criticise what we have.

John
 
I don't usually comment on threads like this, but a quiet day gives me a chance to think through my thoughts rather than fire off my usual knee-jerk reactions to this......

I've got 2 kids (6 and 12) and it's fascinating to see how the things they watch, listen to and play with affect them. Both are usually well behaved (as much as kids are at their age with only a weeks of school holidays left...) but working at home more has really highlighted a few things:

The impact of what they watch - both like watching cartoons, so a couple of hours spent watching the Simpsons seemed a good idea. I then spent the rest of the day dealing with "smart" comments and bad attitude. I'm not picking on that one program, since I spotted that I've noticed quite a few others as well.

What they play - I refuse to let them (well, he, as the older one and more inclined to it) play what I would deem to be violent video games. The laddo likes cars and driving (that's a surprise, huh?) so he has various rally and driving games. But the aggression that's there after playing those is gob-smacking. I guess it's the drive to competitiveness that does it. Interestingly, he's got into MS Flight Sim with his mate and they've spent a few hours planning flights and then doing them. He can spend all day in front of the PC "flying" around Europe but there's no effect on his personality at all.

I know there are parents where we live in sleepy Sussex that sit their kids in front of games and TV all day during the holidays - guess which ones cause the (albeit small amount of) trouble we get in the village? Many parents seem to have abdicated the responsibilities of parenting to schools, TV an the Playstation, while society encourages the "right" of all to have children.

Too many forget that raising kids is a privilege that has responsibilities - and sadly society in general tries to push those responsibilities onto others. I hate the fact that Master E has "Ethics and Citizenship" as a lesson on his school - that's my responsibility as a parent - but it reflects on society as it is today that kids have to be taught this.

How many kids understand the true value of things, that there is a duty of care and accountability that goes along with actions? How many understand that there is a time to walk away, that respect is earned and not demanded.

Sadly the family as a unit is largely broken in today's society here in the UK - was speaking about this with some friends last weekend (French / Italian couple with three boys) who were amazed when they found out that neither of their next-door neighbours had dining tables! This intrigued them so much that she burrowed out some research that said that less than 15% of families in the UK eat together at home more than once a week....
 
Mr E said:
Sadly the family as a unit is largely broken in today's society here in the UK - was speaking about this with some friends last weekend (French / Italian couple with three boys) who were amazed when they found out that neither of their next-door neighbours had dining tables! This intrigued them so much that she burrowed out some research that said that less than 15% of families in the UK eat together at home more than once a week....
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Whan my kids were at home there was a achool project talking about this which fully supports your percentage above.

Sitting round a table to eat for the majority of the week was totally non-negotiable in our home - with a teenage boy and hormonal girl (who hated Dad, natch!) it was often a battleground of arguments but hell!, we were communicating! Their friends loved coming round and eating at a table with knives and forks!

Both Matt and Leanne knew the rules, never bought trouble home and are now both in good relationships - mere coincidence? I think not
 
at 2am this morning i got a phone call from my parents,''3 misunderstood youths''had smashed my back window and drivers side passenger window on my beloved car:eek: (parents have borrowed it until they get new car)now the police know who has done it,due to the fact that they have been collecting information on him to serve an asbo:crazy: and he was caught on camera :crazy: ,but he has been terrorising the neighbourhood for months but has got away with it :mad: .so will have to wait now and see if anything gets done about it before i have a "quiet word down a dark alley with him";)
 
purplegoddess said:
at 2am this morning i got a phone call from my parents,''3 misunderstood youths''had smashed my back window and drivers side passenger window on my beloved car:eek: (parents have borrowed it until they get new car)now the police know who has done it,due to the fact that they have been collecting information on him to serve an asbo:crazy: and he was caught on camera :crazy: ,but he has been terrorising the neighbourhood for months but has got away with it :mad: .so will have to wait now and see if anything gets done about it before i have a "quiet word down a dark alley with him";)
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Oh no! I am sorry chuck :( :mad:
 
purplegoddess beat me to it


Received phone call around 1.30 this morning fom parents in-law, have lent them the 190e, called to say that 3 youths had put the rear and side window through on our car (kept on driveway) and another car down the road, police had been phone an hour previous about 3 youths breaking into sub station, and a it happens also by the other people for hanging around side of there house the police response was "what do you want us to do about it", well maybe there job and come out to investigate, and if they had done so the cars may not have been vandalised.

The main problem with alot of youths is they know full well they can get away with all sorts with non or little repercussion.

As the police have become disinterested on most how can I say 'Troubled Areas', and If you confront these youths they know that by law you cannot touch them and they abuse it.
 
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Parents are far to quick to blame everyone else rather than look at the environment they are raising their kids in. When a few of us went to the pub a few weeks ago, My Josh turned up with a book to read, JPSKiller and Purple Goddess' daughter had a colouring book. How many kids would have had their nose in a video game! Josh has the choice, but he chose a book. Many kids don't get the choice.

We too enjoy family meals and always have done and the kids love it. We have some wonderful conversations. But it's not everyday, or a set day each week etc.

Sadly my kids now too come from a "broken" marriage, but not a "broken" home. There were none to witness, but they have not experienced rowing parents shouting, screaming and swearing at each other so they don't expect to see that in a home and I don't expect to see them behave in that fashion either. If they did they would get short, sharp, shrift from me! And their dad. Just coz he's not here doesn't mean he doesn't still instill acceptable behaviour etc(OK bit of hypocrisy maybe, but better he be there to teach them right from wrong than just sod off all together)

But I am lucky, I have two wonderful children with terrific personalities. Sadly some children have bad personalities and there is little their parents can do. These kids need proper help, but too many times it is a bad environment where parents abdicate the responsibility. I think this is largely because they didn't see the examples being set for them, so it self perpetuates and becomes worse with each generation.

Phew!!


PS JPS and PG - sorry to hear of your bother last night. Hope everyone os OK.
 
right talk pammy, but a man has just been cautioned by the police for dragging his 13yr old daughter,(not hitting) from a pub corner at 11:00pm after one of the regulars came home to tell him his daughter and a group of lads where abusing clients who were coming out and she gave her mother mother abuse when her mother called her to come home.
she called the police and they told him she was within her rights to refuse to go back home.
Some situations you just can not win.
Correct me if i am wrong but it always seems the individuals who can afford to pay court fines always seems to loose cases.

popular saying here by kids.
I will have you done. they can do nothing to me.
 
pammy said:
PS JPS and PG - sorry to hear of your bother last night. Hope everyone os OK.
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As for the car yes, glass replaceres turned up with standard glass and where told to goaway and get MB Glass :D(like-for-like) as for the rest, time will tell
 
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