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Misunderstood Youth of Today.

as a qualified youth worker I have had the privileged to work with some ace kids real good hearted and some scum .more good than scum they just take up 75% of your time .. I've had break up more scuffles than I care to remember ...put back together so many kids that have been emotionally torn apart by there piers and families .... carried them home when they where to smashed walk.... entrusted them ....gave as much as I could ..I was one of the first group of detached workers in the country...dealing with kids on the street ... the reason I left was because of serious situations which I have shared before ...... but the great moments the point when you actually break through even if its only one ...then its all worth it ...... there are some fantastic kids in the land ......lets see more of them and let there be a way of celebrating this on a daily basis so others can see the right way forward .........and maybe just maybe others will follow.
 
recycled said:
Yes the family has a role to play but ultimately the justice system which is supposed to protect the citizens of this country is not doing its job,
Why should a hardworking man pay with his life because some other family refused to bring up their children properly.
The kids know that nothing will happen to them so they do not care.
I am not saying every kid, i am talking of the bad ones.
how many people here would shoplift in saudi arabia when you know you could get your hands chopped off?
I am certainly not advocating capital punishment or sharia law, but rewards for bad behaviour is totally unaccetable.
My nephew has just told me to stop telling him that crime does not pay, because he has not done a thing wrong in his life, but he is fuming because three bullies in his school have just gone to the alps on free reward trips paid for by you and me when his own parents can not even afford to take him to the lake district. reason: they were good in the last month. What about those being good for the last 10yrs
he is now seriously considering shedding his good by image fast.Like i said families hands are tied with nanny state social services while the real danger to children, e,g paedos and child molesters ae being let out early.
No space in jail they say. Always space to lock up drivers who do not pay fines ,or 73 yrs olds not paying council taxes.
Bottom line is they are not bothered as it can not make them any money and it is not thier kid or parents affected.

I am sure if there is suddenly a spate of shootings and stabbings in westminster/chelsea. it will be sorted out in hours. but when it is in moss side/ barking or warington/ toxteth, good luck to you.
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I know exactly how he feels. I didn't do extremely well in my Maths and Systems & Control coursework because I was always bullied by some of the lads at school becaise I was different; I liked trucks, knew a car's mechanicals inside out, and wasn't too bothered with girls as my mum had kept me sheltered from all that because she wanted to keep my mind on doing well and making something of myself, not becoming a bad person. At the end of the GCSE's in Year 11, those bullies were included on a trip to France, whereas I couldn't go because I didn't do so well because they always used to ruin my work and bully me in class. I re-took the exams and coursework in college and passed properly.

It always made me fume, even now, that bad people and bad kids get away with so much, whilst the good people and good kids get hit with cr*p. The amount of things I could use to compare is vast. Sometimes good kids turn bad by shedding their good image and getting 'in' with the wrong crowd because they want to be appreciated as well as the other person.

It may not be the reason for all kids being bad, but it may explain some. I'm still a good person now but because of all that and other stuff, I've got a dangerous temper. :(

B-C55 - I've had that 3-4 times near me when coming back late from work; I hate seeing girls getting beaten up, I've stopped to break the fights up, got punched once but always took the girl to hospital myself as the ambulance always takes ages around my area. My area is nice, but sometimes down the road near the nightclub it can get silly.
 
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My 2p's worth.
First of all DISCIPLINE. Is that not something that parents can be prosecuted for ?. I was never a bad kid at school but I would sh** myself at being caught for smoking in the boys toilets.
Some friends of ours are 65 and 56 years of age. They have a daughter who is doing very well with Barclays and a 16 year old son who is a little sh**. The father Joe did all the refurb on our house. He is not aware or chooses to perhaps ignore that his son is a twopenny drug dealing little snot bag that needs his ar*e kicked from here to next weekend. He has 12 motoring convictions and two driving bans. Whilst working on our house Lesley his wife had a breast removed (cancer) and the son still played up. Two weeks ago he went to court for yet another motoring offence and guess what he was let off. The end result he thinks he is untouchable. The world has gone mad and if I had my way I would be in trouble with the police for daring to discpline that little brat the way I would wish to after seeing what he has put them through.
 
Wow! Some pretty radical and insightful comments here :rolleyes:

The Chief Constable of Cheshire said:
Parents should be the key to tackling this problem. They are responsible for their children - and that responsibility is not abdicated when they become teenagers.

Most of the bad behaviour is fuelled by alcohol - much of it supplied by adults - including some parents.
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When full details of those perpetrators emerge, you can bet there will be no surprises regarding their backgrounds, dubious parentage and past criminal activities.

Another thing that grips me is the extent to which women - wives, mothers and girlfriends - lie to defend and protect the obnoxious men in their lives.
 
Agreed, all teenagers aren't bad. I have three and they're not.

However, at night, the good ones are somewhere their parents can see them or at least know where they are. The minority of bad ones are very likely making life a misery for other families though, like the ones in the article.

And they can keep on making peoples lives a misery because nobody does anything about it. A resident who tackles them will be likely be prosecuted and sued and the police have better things to do.

So, it goes on and on until something like this happens and then everyone wrings their hands.

This government might hand out the odd badge of honour, in the form of an ASBO but is more interested in carbon footprints, multiculturalism, human rights and health and safety, to do anything more. And the others? Hey, they just want their day in the sun.

And people have no respect for law and order today? Big surprise.
 
mark.t said:
as a qualified youth worker I have had the privileged to work with some ace kids real good hearted and some scum .more good than scum they just take up 75% of your time .. I've had break up more scuffles than I care to remember ...put back together so many kids that have been emotionally torn apart by there piers and families .... carried them home when they where to smashed walk.... entrusted them ....gave as much as I could ..I was one of the first group of detached workers in the country...dealing with kids on the street ... the reason I left was because of serious situations which I have shared before ...... but the great moments the point when you actually break through even if its only one ...then its all worth it ...... there are some fantastic kids in the land ......lets see more of them and let there be a way of celebrating this on a daily basis so others can see the right way forward .........and maybe just maybe others will follow.
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Well done. The 80::20 rule seems to apply to many things in life.
One of my boys is now a policeman and inevitably he has to deal with many of these kids. As a balance he also helps to run a Scout Group, the same group to which he and his brothers belong. I don't thhink he would claim turning any kids round but the Scouts do help a lot of kids find a direction for their abundant energy.
 
Rob77 said:
Agreed, all teenagers aren't bad. I have three and they're not.

However, at night, the good ones are somewhere their parents can see them or at least know where they are. The minority of bad ones are very likely making life a misery for other families though, like the ones in the article.

And they can keep on making peoples lives a misery because nobody does anything about it. A resident who tackles them will be likely be prosecuted and sued and the police have better things to do.

So, it goes on and on until something like this happens and then everyone wrings their hands.

This government might hand out the odd badge of honour, in the form of an ASBO but is more interested in carbon footprints, multiculturalism, human rights and health and safety, to do anything more. And the others? Hey, they just want their day in the sun.

And people have no respect for law and order today? Big surprise.
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Amen to that. :rock:
 
I think we are all missing the main point of this issue.

In my personal opinion the character, behaviour of todays teenagers is formed during there very young childhood. It is down to us to teach our babies, young children right from wrong and influence their upbringing. Ignore those first years and stand-by, educate these children in the ways of life and acceptable behaviour and they will hopefully grow-up into responsible members of society? Teach them right from wrong, teach them to respect their fellow human being and when this foundation is ingrained it should remain with them for the rest of their lives. Of course it is only a minority that really goes off the rails, but it is a significant minority.

Finally swearing!
How many parents either swear in the presence of their offspring or don't admonish their children if they swear? Standards, it is all about what we as individuals deem acceptable.

John
 
merc man said:
ive had a few problems with some teenagers, the best way to deal with it, is by giving them a taste of their own medicine and do it to ther parents cars! dont hassle yourself by trying to argue or fight fight them, it just fuels them on. plus you get the enjoyment of seeing them walk as their parents cars are not 'working'

if you cant beat them at their own game join them, thats my new moto.
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Spot on, I dont buy all the touchy feely rubbish that gets bandied about on how to deal with the problem of youth crime and their parents. There are two ways to stop it:

1. extra and better police, but that costs money and they are needed to nick people for smoking in a pub.

2. like for like punishment, you assault someone you get assaulted or you break something of someones, something of yours gets broken.

I know I might be talking as if i'm on another planet but IMHO that is the only thing these people understand. I work in the system that deals with these people and the majority of them are completly disrepspectful of anyoneone and anything, that is all they know, show them some disrespect and then they will understand. Obviously they have to go through the fair and proper trial system and when found guilty (allowing for appeals ect..) the punishment should befit the crime. OK if its bit harsh like for like, as sometimes they have nothing to break of theirs, very tough prison sentences should be imposed and NOT in a holiday camp, that cant be difficult canit..oh and by the way government it would be cheape to provide rocks to break than a Playstation....:rolleyes:
 
Does anybody remember the American kid who got a huge fine and six lashes for vandalising cars in Singapore?
Harsh, but I bet he never did it again:devil:
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bigk said:
Spot on, I dont buy all the touchy feely rubbish that gets bandied about on how to deal with the problem of youth crime and their parents. There are two ways to stop it:
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Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime!

Can someone that voted for the currant government please explain what that means?

It is no good getting physical with these thugs, that simply raises the stakes and we will start seeing the gang culture that is prevalent in some other cultures, violence simply bestows more violence.

I have read about the Middle East comparison of having gold on open display in the market place. I would suggest that is purely glossing over our problems and as usual ignoring the fundamental problem. Do very young Middle Eastern children steal, swear, binge drink, or back chat their parents? I'm sorry but we are trying to blame everybody else and not take any sort of responsibility.

Our society now believes its right and proper for both parents to go out to work and farm out their offspring to a nursery, that's the way it is and how dare anyone criticise this trend. I will merely suggest we again look at the Middle East and ask whether both the parents go out to work? In this country instead of us taking responsibility when children misbehave, we fetch out a new law, if they still misbehave, then fetch out another new law. This government is obsessed with fetching out legislation, then allowing those that are caught free access to every type of counsellor ever invented, and then if these poor souls are found guilty they will appeal, and then continue to appeal until a court overturns the original verdict. Take the Ipplepen six, or the Toepuddle seven, all alleged innocent victims that have been found guilty by a jury, but subsequently had this verdict overturned by highly educated advocates that dissect every single word, every dot, every 't' that should be crossed and woe betide anyone that has made an innocent error in the preparation, or presentation. I feel we deserve the society we live in and the government we voted for.

Don't forget crime is down and police numbers are up.

Oh and since this new 24 hour licencing has been introduced here in Devon and Cornwall the most violent of crime, namely murder, attempted murder, manslaughter and wounding has gone up by one third. The good thing though is that we are assured that it is all mainly in the mind of the victim :mad: :D

John
 
I do not believe there are any children born bad.

I believe that we as parents are responsible to guide advise and be involved with their upbringing.

I believe that society has been brainwashed into making children grow up to fast so they miss out on childhood.

Whilst I am not in favour of the opressive and draconian regeimes of some religeous societies, I believe that freedom should be enjoyed with the basic understanding that one has the right to do what one wishes - provided it does not hurt fellow man.
 
ceejaySL said:
Whilst I am not in favour of the opressive and draconian regeimes of some religeous societies, I believe that freedom should be enjoyed with the basic understanding that one has the right to do what one wishes - provided it does not hurt fellow man.
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These days all you hear about is "rights". Everyone seems to be obsessed with rights but they seem to have forgotten about the other side of that equation: "responsibilities".
 
Well as tosh said.
Everyone is crying out for peace but no one is crying out for justice.
Easy to say take it easy and be calm when it is not your neighbourhood that is being shafted
 
There's no justice in England. It's a joke. Kill someone, and what happens? You get thrown into jail. Free food, Sky, Games, Pool tables, see your family every so often, and no bills to pay. :mad:

No wonder there are so many repeat offenders which are mainly youths; it's like they're being rewarded for being bad...:confused:

In India, you catch someone doing something bad to your property, you beat the person up, and call the Police. The Police come along about 20 mins later, take the prisoner away and also beat them up. Prison there is Prison, not a holiday camp with freebies. As Shude said...it's all about prisoners rights, youths rights...No responsibilities. The innocent hard worker these days has no rights. As soon as someone is imprisoned, their rights should be taken away.

People may disagree with me and others opinions, but they're valid. Its how I'm personally made to feel; paying over the odds for tax, mortgage and everything where as youths and prisoners get things for almost free.
 
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Silestanix said:
There's no justice in England. It's a joke. Kill someone, and what happens? You get thrown into jail. ...:confused:
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Only if there is space.
remember there are more hardened criminal repeat offenders more dangerous to the public that need hunting off the streets
You know the likes that happen to use the automobile every so often
 
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True say that.
 
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