National Terrorist Threat Level Raised

[gary350]

Its a very fine line between warning the public to keep vigilance and scaring the public out of their minds, in my view the over reporting of incidents is giving the terrorist and those that wish to be terrorists a shot in the arm as publicity is their biggest weapon. For an example on sky news the jeep bomb took over the news showing the same pictures for hours and hours on end and they must have asked every person at the airport for theirs views, just imagine the kick a would be terrorist would get from that sort of hype.

gary

 

[scumbag]

It does seem reassuringly difficult to ignite propane cylinders with fire as the Jehadist fool on the ground found out.

one must assume they had them closed, so they would have to get them to a temperature over 168C to get them to start to vapourise in the canister, then you would have to wait till the canister failed. Not a particularly effective bomb idea.

I was struggling with the idea of why and Airport! but them i remembered that the ones in london had be indescrimately targetting anyone, and the airport in question should be at its busiest when they tried, so mass casualties is the reason. I would imagine that the recent independance noises from this side of the border may have gone someway to making some people think it would help to destroy the union.

I fail to see how they can blame the US for its foreign policy though. They have been using terrorist tactics against an awful lot of people for an awful lot of years before the US decided it was no longer going to stand for this cowardly terrorism hiding under the fabricated illusion that it is for religious reasons.

Somebody should have the metal to take this battle right to them once and for all.

I am unsure if its just me, or if anybody else feels the same, But I am getting a bit fed up with these "Holy War" low life scum thinking they can go about bullying everyone into their ways of thinking and then allowing other people to try and justify it.

Mrs Thatcher stopped Sein Fein getting publicity in the mid '80's. Maybes we should stop anyone who mentions anything that supports these despotic acts. Once the mouth pieces have been closed and there is no mileage in doing this, then perhaps they may all grow up.

Time for the government to control the media i think.

 

[DieselE]

Its a very fine line between warning the public to keep vigilance and scaring the public out of their minds, in my view the over reporting of incidents is giving the terrorist and those that wish to be terrorists a shot in the arm as publicity is their biggest weapon. For an example on sky news the jeep bomb took over the news showing the same pictures for hours and hours on end and they must have asked every person at the airport for theirs views, just imagine the kick a would be terrorist would get from that sort of hype.

gary

Completely agree. Unfortunately the media is heavily into "Vox Popularis" these days. Generally and not just on this weekend's reporting some of the "spontaneous" reactions sound as if they have been coached before the few minutes of fame. Mind you, I could rant and rave for some time about the poor standard of television news.

 

[scumbag]

For an example on sky news the jeep bomb took over the news showing the same pictures for hours and hours on end and they must have asked every person at the airport for theirs views, just imagine the kick a would be terrorist would get from that sort of hype.

gary

fully agree with that. Its dramatic TV. One reason I always make sure, even inadvertantly, that I never watch ITV news. At least the Beeb dont use dramatic statements, but they are slowly going down that route.

I dont like Bill Turnball either. the other day he asked the SYorks policeman why he thought the floods had occured. How the Policeman didnt arrest him for wasting his time I dont know!

 

[scumbag]

It is embarrassing that there is possibly this 'bias' discrimination but hopefully all rational people can accept this inconvenience with a smile and co-operate as best they can. If we start to demonstrate against this issue then are we acting in our countries best interest? We are all British, we live in a beautiful country and we need to unite. Those that dislike our style of government\life need to SPEAK out about their feelings and let there elected representatives know how they feel. Jaw, jaw is always better than war, war.


Regards
John

I going to look for a recent quote by John Howard the Aus MP.
He stated that "anyone who doesnt like living under Australian rules is quite welcome to do the age old Australian right, and leave"

I will link it here if i can find the full works.

 

[glojo]

For an example on sky news the jeep bomb took over the news showing the same pictures for hours and hours on end and they must have asked every person at the airport for theirs views, just imagine the kick a would be terrorist would get from that sort of hype.

Totally agree and I agree with a fair proportion of Scumbag's post. I served in the Middle East in the 1960 - 70's and the media were NOT allowed in country and we were certainly NOT allowed to speak to the media. Terrorism is all about putting fear into the minds of the general public and causing discontent.

We hear all about never giving in to terrorism but if we take a step back and think about that reckless claim, it might not hold water.

Gerry Adams

Martin McGuinness

Nelson Mandela

Cypriot leader whose name I can't spell

Today's terrorist is sometimes tomorrow's diplomat! I would suggest we need to sit down and talk.

John

 

[kikkthecat]

I went to Manchester Airport very early this morning and the extra security was unbelievable but in the circumstances understandable.

If anyone is dropping someone off at any airport add another 30 minutes to your journey just to get through security and remember that you'll be dropping off further away than usual.

No cars are being allowed on the approach road to the departure drop off points and that included taxis and other licenced vehicles. Anything with privacy glass like mine or only carrying 2 passengers was being searched.

What I found hard to understand was that there were people who were prepared to argue about it, you know the ones, they have to have the nearest parking space to the door and didn't buy a car so they could walk.

It's an inconvenience and will remain one for the forseeable future. The lane at the pick up point remains out of bounds to all but licenced taxis even now and only then if the driver stays with the car (go for a pee, get clamped) and that along with a few other inconveniences is a legacy from the IRA years. (There are still no litter bins at Terminal One just in case.)

This is just something else we'll all have to learn to live with.

 

[glojo]

I going to look for a recent quote by John Howard the Aus MP.
He stated that "anyone who doesnt like living under Australian rules is quite welcome to do the age old Australian right, and leave"

I will link it here if i can find the full works.

I know the speech your referring to and fully endorse the points made, but some of the content was perhaps inflammatory and I will not go into detail on the content

Immigrants come here by choice and as soon as they arrive they can enjoy the freedom of.... speech

Regards
John

 

[BTB 500]

Armed police prominent at Charing Cross this morning ...

 

[gary350]

I think the main issue here is to deter any would be terrorist and I can think of no better way by taking a leaf out of the roman empire era (spartacus) lets crucify caught terrorists along the side of the M25. Anyone any better ideas.

gary

 

[e55]

Armed police prominent at Charing Cross this morning ...

My office is right opposite Charing cross station and security is really tight. Armed police outside my office all day .

 

[recycled]

We hear all about never giving in to terrorism but if we take a step back and think about that reckless claim, it might not hold water.


Nelson Mandela


John

i can not believe you can call mandela a terrorist. fighting apartheid,one of the sickest episodes of the 20th century.
You may as well call all our boys who dealt with hitler terrorists as well. or is it because he had no uniformed army?
Fighting colonialism can never be terrorism.

 

[Dieselman]

i can not believe you can call mandela a terrorist. fighting apartheid,one of the sickest episodes of the 20th century.
You may as well call all our boys who dealt with hitler terrorists as well. or is it because he had no uniformed army?
Fighting colonialism can never be terrorism.

But surely it's how you go about it.

Whilst I agree with the issue of aparthied, I'm not so happy about the methods used to get the result.
Innocent as well as guilty were killed and injured I believe, and they didn't declare war against the state and dress in uniform so they could be easily identified, they were in fact a terror group, which surely means they were terrorists.

It appears to be a good method of ensuring a place on the table of World influencial people, look at Gerry Adams and Martin McGuniness.

I wonder when we will see Osama Bin Laden in a position of power?

 

[fuzzer]

http://johnsmeaton.com/

 

[scumbag]

http://johnsmeaton.com/

that tickled me.

and a little link here to Mandela.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1454208.stm

The thing is, the free west agree with his fight and therefore he becomes a hero. So if we disagree with a movement, such as Al-qieda, do they become an anti-hero?

Terrorist activities are not welcome in a right thinking world irrespective of the reasons they happen. And, in every case, the terrorists have never won whilst conducting any kind of hostile action.

Only when they talk do things move forward. I think its called being rational.

I dont have time for Mandela either, but that does not mean i agree with the situation he was against.

with fairness to him, he didnt make it a dubious religious edict tho.

 

[arana]

But surely it's how you go about it.

Whilst I agree with the issue of apartheid, I'm not so happy about the methods used to get the result.
Innocent as well as guilty were killed and injured I believe, and they didn't declare war against the state and dress in uniform so they could be easily identified, they were in fact a terror group, which surely means they were terrorists.

It appears to be a good method of ensuring a place on the table of World influential people, look at Gerry Adams and Martin McGuniness.

I wonder when we will see Osama Bin Laden in a position of power?

I agree with Diesleman. The method of terror is not the way to achieve things.

A perfect example is Gandhi. He won freedom for India from the Colonials by non violent means. In fact the bad apples amongst the colonial staff are the ones who ordered the killings many peaceful protesters.

 

[recycled]

The american civil war was fought against the slave trade.are the unionists terrorists. maybe if mandela had the chance to form a party as it was so one sided as they were treated as inferior races by the rest of the world then maybe he would not have resorted to such means.
There is what you call state terrorism where the state is the terrosist organisation. South africa was a terrorist state. whether they were in power or not makes no difference.
US- in nicaragua, chile -pinochet
I am afraid dieselman we have to agree to disagree on this one.
Gandhi succeeded because the forces saw reason with him.
That would never have worked in south africa as the apartheid regime felt they could not deal with savages and inferior beings.
dialogue only works between two equal parties aiming to achieve a common goal.
mandela was never a terrorist.
It was their land and they fought to live in it.
The french resistance can then be classed as terrorists as well.they had no uniforms/they did not declare war on the state and they could not be identified. same as the kuwaiti resistance in 1990
What is your take on that?
sas fighting in afghan. no uniforms /no identification

 

[big x]

But surely it's how you go about it.

Whilst I agree with the issue of aparthied, I'm not so happy about the methods used to get the result.
Innocent as well as guilty were killed and injured I believe, and they didn't declare war against the state and dress in uniform so they could be easily identified, they were in fact a terror group, which surely means they were terrorists.

It appears to be a good method of ensuring a place on the table of World influencial people, look at Gerry Adams and Martin McGuniness.

I wonder when we will see Osama Bin Laden in a position of power?

Never, because his goal is to turn Britain into an Islamic state. Interesting article here from somebody who is in a good position to know:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2115832,00.html

adam

 

[glojo]

http://johnsmeaton.com/

Hi Fuzzer,
I am a very sad individual and I believe the only person that watches BBC Parliament? The Home Secretary addressed the House of Commons this afternoon and during the Question time the Opposition spokesperson recommended the 'wee fella' for a bravery award. (He never named anyone) The Home Secretary thanked Mr Davies and stated she was aware of the incidents of bravery in both Scotland and London and the facts would be studied with consideration for any awards.

I heard this wee fella give his first interview and it was brilliant. Something along the lines of Nobody attacks our Police in Glasgow! It made me chuckle, but his meaning was sound and to be congratulated.

i can not believe you can call mandela a terrorist. fighting apartheid,one of the sickest episodes of the 20th century.

Hi recycled,
I was in South Africa at the height of apartheid and a good friend of mine who was with me and was also coloured, so I'm fully aware of what it was like. As has already been very eloquently stated, there is a right way of going about things and a wrong way. According to the youth of today Nelson Mandela was a saint and nothing I will say will alter that opinion, so I'll say nothing.

Was Martin McGuinness a terrorist?

Regards
John

 

[Gucci]

Immigrants come here by choice and as soon as they arrive they can enjoy the freedom of.... speech

I agree, but some abuse that right and brainwash others, inciting terrorist acts. The same goes for British born and raised.

Freedom of speech to a point...racist, terrorist and abusive language need not apply.