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Next Years Formula 1 - well the next 10 years!!

The Beeb said:
A change can be made after five years but only with the unanimous agreement of all stakeholders and following a further two-year notice period.
So there will be a change if Bernie and Ferrari want one then...

I presume the logic behind this is cost and closer racing - but how are you going to regulate the lower teams developing their engines to catch up with the top teams?

Does anybody know if the advertising gumf from the engine manufacturers claiming F1 development drives improvements in road car engines is true or not?
 
So there will be a change if Bernie and Ferrari want one then...

I presume the logic behind this is cost and closer racing - but how are you going to regulate the lower teams developing their engines to catch up with the top teams?

Does anybody know if the advertising gumf from the engine manufacturers claiming F1 development drives improvements in road car engines is true or not?

I have been directly involved with race car development and its knock on effect to road cars. The Audi direct injection petrol engine developed at Le Mans and the JCB Dieselmax will, and do have real benefits for real world motoring. F1 has developed itself in to a 19000 rpm cul de sac, and I'm not sure that anythig other than the design strategy has much relevance to road cars.
Problem is the priorities are so far apart on road and track, quiet, economical and comfortable are not track priorities.
Interestingly, many of the engineers who go through a motorsport peroid within their company, often turn out to be top road car boffins.:eek:
 
I wonder where the line is drawn regarding engine development and electronic\computer development? We are hearing that traction control will be banned but will it become 'engine management'? No sense the engine revving if the wheels are spinning, and what about the gearbox? Will they allow that to develop? What about the engine, does it definitely have to be a normally aspirated four stroke petrol engine?

John
 
F1 sucks. Touring cars and rally are where its at !
Nah - GT racing (although pref making 'road style' cars more competitive against the prototypes). Touring cars is bumpers cars with more expensive cars involved, rallying is bumper with no other cars involved ;)

(PS I'm, partially, joking - I like, in order: GT, Rallying, touring, F1)


Mactech - surely the ability to increase revs to 19k means that normal road cars are balanced/run better and more efficiently and therefore the development does have some improvements?

John - perhaps this is an attempt to force designers to include more engergy convertion/retention via, for example, storing braking energy?
 
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News from the BBC states that there is to be a 10 year freeze on engine development for F1

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/6911269.stm

Now, with the way things are advancing that will surely mean that road cars will be more advanced than the f1 cars.

So, how will that work then?
I'd be interested to see a normally aspirated road car with a specific output in excess of 300bhp/litre

Instead of your Mercedes '63 AMGs you'll be driving a '20 AMG machine..... 2 Litres/600bhp
 
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John - perhaps this is an attempt to force designers to include more engergy convertion/retention via, for example, storing braking energy?
I like to see any type of innovation and would like to see different types of engine. What about an improvement to the ****el design to make it more reliable? Gas turbines that might be coupled to a mutli-gear type gearbox? (if you understand my madness) and perhaps liquid cooled brakes.

John
 
:D he he:D - that censor is great - what won't it allow in Johns post 'Dies'???
 
I think John used an alternative name for the Rotary engine (a la Mazda) :D
 
I think John used an alternative name for the Rotary engine (a la Mazda) :D
Spot on and apologies for not noticing it.:o :o :o

Okay, I'll have another go:

The Masturbate-el :devil: engine, what an achievement if they could get this working efficiently.

John
 
:D

So the profanity checker has no objection to the actiity itself - it's just a bit picky about what you call it!! :D
Tends to punish us fikkies that dunno long words.

I was just building a GL with the options fitted into the demonstrator we had and it comes out way over £65k. Whereas the '57' reg car was £49k. That is some difference.

John
 
What on earth would be the point of Formula 1 going any further with performance development. They already do about 3 times the legal motorway speed limit and that is never going to be increased given environmental and safety concerns. Speed cameras will get more and more sophisticated till we will all have to conform or lose our licences. The link between top motor racing and normal cars was severed years back and the gap is now a chasm.

How about banning pit stops (ruin the so-called racing anyway), forcing them to use tyres that last a whole race not just about 1 hour, and doing the whole race on one tank of fuel. Then development might have some real link with the concerns of everyday motoring. Even my little A class does well over 100mph so what use any more performance since I'm not allowed to use even that which I now have. Longer lasting tyres and better fuel economy? Now you're talking.
 
Sportscar racing is a little more relevant to the real world than F1.
After the Bentley Le Mans win in 2003 I made the following notes:

• Going not stopping
The winning Bentley at Le Mans this year set a new record number of laps covered in 24 hours for the current circuit. The 377 laps total is two more than the winning Audi from 2002, despite the narrower tyres enforced on the GTP cars, and the imposition of a 10% reduction of air restrictor to reduce power.

• Very little stopping
The winning Bentley also set a new record for the least time spent in the pit road during the race. Just 28 minutes in 24 hours were spent in the pit lane. This beats the previous record of 33 minutes by a GT3 Porsche in 2002.

• Stopping not going
Johnny Herbert’s fastest race lap early on Sunday morning was achieved mainly by stopping quicker rather than going quicker. Johnny used the cars massive carbon brakes to their maximum on a clear lap by braking very late with colossal pressure at the start of the braking when the downforce is greatest, then skilfully modulating the pedal pressure as the downforce reduced with speed to produce the difference between a good lap and a great lap.

• Stop and glow
During the race the heat dissipated by the Bentley’s brakes was enough to heat a typical British house in winter….all winter!

• Going after stopping
To ensure the safe arrival at its next pit stop, the Bentleys were normally only run for 13 or 14 lap stints in the race, so the maximum fuel load put into their 90 litre tanks in the race was 83 litres, but typically under 80 litres.

• Stopping and going
The Bentley cars accelerated from 100 to over 300kph over 2200 times during the 24 hours shifting gears over 20,000 times.

• Going and going
The cars each covered over 5000kms in 24 hours, the equivalent of a whole Grand Prix season run consecutively with just a few moments servicing.

• Going on and on
The Michelin tyres lasted up to 3 hours on the race-winning car, about 5 times as long as F1 tyres running at the same speed on a car almost twice as heavy.

• Going to stop
The cars used fuel at the rate of about 6 mpg, slightly worse than a 38 tonne truck.

• Not going to fly
The Bentleys were producing enough downforce to run upside down on the roof of a tunnel at 250kph (160 mph)

• Stopping for traffic
During qualifying, 3 laps of car 8 were within fractions of a second of Tom Kristensen’s pole position time in the sister Bentley before being blocked by traffic in the Porsche curves. It's a problem the world over!

• Going to get out
Tom Kristensen spent the longest continual time in a Bentley during the race with 3hours and 19 mins at the wheel in a quadruple stint. This was 4 mins longer than teammate Dindo Capello, but well inside the legal maximum of 4 hours.


Might need to work on the green issues a little:rolleyes:
 
:D he he:D - that censor is great - what won't it allow in Johns post 'Dies'???
I'm surprised Dieselman didn't come up with that one....
 

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