stevieb15
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I'd be more confident with Toyota or Honda providing the technology and build
Nissan to build Mercedes engines
st4
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Or Mitsubishi, no French car building corruption. The engines on Mercs are pretty decent bar silly faults.
In saying that, if Mercedes said Peugeot were going to be doing the body work, I'd be overjoyed.
corned
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That reminds me. I wonder if a Pug 406 tailgate will fit a S211?
st4
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Steady on, its just now achieved water tight status, best not to "rock the boat"
corned
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That's only a 'maybe' at this stage. It hasn't pi$$ed down here since the fix, if that's what it was. Chickens firmly unaccounted for at the moment.
Dr-Nab
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D5 Biturbo in my next car then.
I dont think EV's will really ever work... its a stop gap between technologies.
Hydrogen has to be the (long term) future and this is where MB are spending their R&D if what I read in Merc Enthusiast is anything to go by!
I hope the nissan engines dont have those silly rubber things driving the cogs.
Hydrogen has to be the (long term) future and this is where MB are spending their R&D if what I read in Merc Enthusiast is anything to go by!
I hope the nissan engines dont have those silly rubber things driving the cogs.
Nasco12
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I suspect all this talk about electric vehicles is hogwash. If anything is going to take over from petrol and diesel it will be LPG. There's so much gas in the world...
How efficient can an ICE convert gas to motion. I thought LPG cars were 10-20% less efficient that petrol.
I believe gas power stations making electricity charging up cars would be more efficient.
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I think Jaymanek is right, Electric cars are just a stop gap. There are too many limitations to be viable on a large scale.
re MB engines being built in a Nissan factory, it sounds idela to me. MB design and engineer the engine and Nissan build it properly. The G class still seems to be the best built MB, and thats outsourced to Steyer Puch who used to make hateful mopeds with pedals, so nissan should be o.k.
re MB engines being built in a Nissan factory, it sounds idela to me. MB design and engineer the engine and Nissan build it properly. The G class still seems to be the best built MB, and thats outsourced to Steyer Puch who used to make hateful mopeds with pedals, so nissan should be o.k.
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That's just to keep you waiting...and waiting...and waiting, meanwhile accepting internal combustion engines.
For a number of reasons there will never be mass produced hydrogen fuel cell cars.
1. Hydrogen is dangerous stuff and you need a lot of it under high pressure.
2. Fuel cells need a lot of precious metal to manufacture and there just isn't enough of it.
3. You need more energy to make hydrogen than it gives back when burnt.
4. Hydrogen fuel cells have the worst well to wheel efficiency of all motive power sources.
There are lots of other reasons, but they are simple ones.
Hydrogen fuel cells will never be used as a mass market propulsion system, they are just a smokescreen.
Ok well whatever the technology will eventually be, I doubt EV's are the long term.
Ponton-Jetronic
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Will there be a price difference then , between the German built engine and the Nissan built engine ? ie when sourcing a repalcement unit . Do you get what youre paying for ?
Sad times when we all accept that the once great Mercedes-Benz brand has little to lose by using Nissan to build engines, and the comment that French bodywork is probably better is likewise true 
They're still nice cars but certainly not the cut above others that they used to be in the old days.
Almost gone the same way as many branded items in today's materialistic society, you're mainly paying for the name/image/brand
They're still nice cars but certainly not the cut above others that they used to be in the old days.
Almost gone the same way as many branded items in today's materialistic society, you're mainly paying for the name/image/brand
Press Release:
Daimler and Nissan to produce engines together in North America
In the latest step forward in the collaboration of Daimler and the Renault-Nissan Alliance, Nissan's Decherd, Tenn., plant will build Mercedes-Benz 4-cylinder engines for Infiniti and Mercedes-Benz starting in 2014.
Daimler and Nissan will produce Mercedes-Benz 4-cylinder gasoline engines together at Nissan's powertrain assembly plant in Decherd, Tenn. Production will begin in 2014, with installed capacity of 250,000 units per year once full ramp-up is achieved. The Decherd facility will produce engines for Mercedes-Benz and Infiniti models.
"This is the newest milestone in our pragmatic collaboration and our most significant project outside of Europe so far," said Renault-Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn. "Localized capacity reduces exposure to foreign exchange rates while rapidly enabling a good business development in North America - a win-win for the Alliance and Daimler."
The collaboration marks the first production of Mercedes-Benz engines in the North America Free Trade region. The Tennessee plant's strategic location and logistics links ensure a direct supply of engines starting in 2014 for the Mercedes-Benz C-Class, built at Daimler's vehicle plant in Tuscaloosa, Ala.
"In the context of our Mercedes-Benz 2020 growth strategy, we have decided that we will expand the production capacities required for this close to the customers. Through the strategic extension of our cooperation with Renault-Nissan we can realize near-market engine production in the NAFTA region on attractive economic terms and make optimum use of synergies arising from the cooperation." Dr. Dieter Zetsche, Chairman of the Daimler Board of Management and Head of Mercedes-Benz Cars, said. "Thus we are systematically broadening our manufacturing footprint in this important growth market."
Nissan began powertrain assembly in Decherd in 1997. Today it manufactures 4-, 6- and 8-cylinder engines for the complete lineup of U.S.-produced Nissan and Infiniti vehicles. The plant also houses crankshaft forging and cylinder block casting operations. In 2011, Decherd produced more than 580,000 engines on a covered area of more than 1.2 million square feet (111,000 square meters).
Project portfolio expands
Daimler and the Renault-Nissan Alliance launched their strategic collaboration in April 2010, including an equity exchange that gives the Renault-Nissan Alliance a 3.1 percent stake in Daimler and Daimler a combined 3.1 percent interest in Renault and Nissan.
The collaboration began with three project pillars:
Joint smart/Twingo architecture: The project is on track for launch in the early first quarter of 2014. Two-seater smart vehicles will be produced at Daimler's plant in Hambach, France, and four-seater smart and Renault production are slated for Renault's plant in Novo Mesto, Slovenia.
All-new entry-level city van project for Mercedes-Benz: The project is on schedule with expected launch in late 2012.
Powertrain cross-supply: The Alliance is supplying Daimler with compact three-cylinder gasoline engines to be used in smart and Twingo vehicles and four-cylinder diesel engines to be used in the jointly developed light commercial vehicle and in Mercedes-Benz's next generation of premium compact cars. Daimler will supply Nissan and Infiniti with four- and six-cylinder gasoline and diesel engines from the current and future engine portfolio as well as with automatic transmissions.
Since its founding in April 2010, the collaboration has been gradually expanded. In addition to the announcement this week about North American engine production, the companies had decided earlier to partner on:
Platform sharing: Infiniti plans to base a premium compact vehicle on the Mercedes compact-car architecture, starting in 2014.
Zero-emission vehicles: Daimler will provide batteries from its production facility in Kamenz, Germany, and Renault-Nissan will provide electric motors for the use in electric vehicles (smart and Twingo ZE). First releases will occur in 2014.
Daimler and Nissan to produce engines together in North America
In the latest step forward in the collaboration of Daimler and the Renault-Nissan Alliance, Nissan's Decherd, Tenn., plant will build Mercedes-Benz 4-cylinder engines for Infiniti and Mercedes-Benz starting in 2014.
Daimler and Nissan will produce Mercedes-Benz 4-cylinder gasoline engines together at Nissan's powertrain assembly plant in Decherd, Tenn. Production will begin in 2014, with installed capacity of 250,000 units per year once full ramp-up is achieved. The Decherd facility will produce engines for Mercedes-Benz and Infiniti models.
"This is the newest milestone in our pragmatic collaboration and our most significant project outside of Europe so far," said Renault-Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn. "Localized capacity reduces exposure to foreign exchange rates while rapidly enabling a good business development in North America - a win-win for the Alliance and Daimler."
The collaboration marks the first production of Mercedes-Benz engines in the North America Free Trade region. The Tennessee plant's strategic location and logistics links ensure a direct supply of engines starting in 2014 for the Mercedes-Benz C-Class, built at Daimler's vehicle plant in Tuscaloosa, Ala.
"In the context of our Mercedes-Benz 2020 growth strategy, we have decided that we will expand the production capacities required for this close to the customers. Through the strategic extension of our cooperation with Renault-Nissan we can realize near-market engine production in the NAFTA region on attractive economic terms and make optimum use of synergies arising from the cooperation." Dr. Dieter Zetsche, Chairman of the Daimler Board of Management and Head of Mercedes-Benz Cars, said. "Thus we are systematically broadening our manufacturing footprint in this important growth market."
Nissan began powertrain assembly in Decherd in 1997. Today it manufactures 4-, 6- and 8-cylinder engines for the complete lineup of U.S.-produced Nissan and Infiniti vehicles. The plant also houses crankshaft forging and cylinder block casting operations. In 2011, Decherd produced more than 580,000 engines on a covered area of more than 1.2 million square feet (111,000 square meters).
Project portfolio expands
Daimler and the Renault-Nissan Alliance launched their strategic collaboration in April 2010, including an equity exchange that gives the Renault-Nissan Alliance a 3.1 percent stake in Daimler and Daimler a combined 3.1 percent interest in Renault and Nissan.
The collaboration began with three project pillars:
Joint smart/Twingo architecture: The project is on track for launch in the early first quarter of 2014. Two-seater smart vehicles will be produced at Daimler's plant in Hambach, France, and four-seater smart and Renault production are slated for Renault's plant in Novo Mesto, Slovenia.
All-new entry-level city van project for Mercedes-Benz: The project is on schedule with expected launch in late 2012.
Powertrain cross-supply: The Alliance is supplying Daimler with compact three-cylinder gasoline engines to be used in smart and Twingo vehicles and four-cylinder diesel engines to be used in the jointly developed light commercial vehicle and in Mercedes-Benz's next generation of premium compact cars. Daimler will supply Nissan and Infiniti with four- and six-cylinder gasoline and diesel engines from the current and future engine portfolio as well as with automatic transmissions.
Since its founding in April 2010, the collaboration has been gradually expanded. In addition to the announcement this week about North American engine production, the companies had decided earlier to partner on:
Platform sharing: Infiniti plans to base a premium compact vehicle on the Mercedes compact-car architecture, starting in 2014.
Zero-emission vehicles: Daimler will provide batteries from its production facility in Kamenz, Germany, and Renault-Nissan will provide electric motors for the use in electric vehicles (smart and Twingo ZE). First releases will occur in 2014.
Bellow
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They don't - they use chains. Chains that do not require replacement at 40,000 miles. Mercedes take note.
LPG has a lower calorific value, but what calories it has it burns very cleanly.
Spot on.
We are drip fed their promises for them to prop up their share price. Imagine if they were honest and just said they haven't a clue what they will be selling in 10-20 years. Not a company you'ld leave your money in.
Anyone seen DiesOtto lately? Can't seem to find it anywhere....
Nissans smaller chain driven engines are known for their weakness. The chains stretch causing all sorts of issues. However im sure they would have sorted that now.
Its not really big news anyway... All engines nowadays are mostly Bosch/Lucas etc so what does it matter who puts it together..
Its not really big news anyway... All engines nowadays are mostly Bosch/Lucas etc so what does it matter who puts it together..
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Mercedes probably want to stick with tradition and keep with weak chains.
The last generation 4 cylinder petrols and all others before the W201.
