Nissan to build Mercedes engines

[st4]

Mercedes probably want to stick with tradition and keep with weak chains.

The last generation 4 cylinder petrols and all others before the W201.

The last 4pot petrol kompressor engine was related to a Mitsubishi lump. The diesels don't have this issue. IIRC there is a big issue with petrol V6s, failing tensioners and chains going. If Nissan engines do the same there is no hope

 

[minio]

Sad times when we all accept that the once great Mercedes-Benz brand has little to lose by using Nissan to build engines, and the comment that French bodywork is probably better is likewise true

They're still nice cars but certainly not the cut above others that they used to be in the old days.

I couldn't agree more ...


But mind you one of the most successful cars made by the Bavarian finest... (the ultimate driving machines, the driver's cars):
Mini english heritage made by BMW and what engines do they use French PSA ... Although heart of this English/German car is french people still buy loads of it! I wouldn't buy BMW with a French motor as I wouldn't buy a 4 pot BMW nor MB!

I am a driver and there is not a lot of drivers cars left on the market this days.

Have you heard about new BMW 328i with bi-turbo 2.0 litre 4 pot engine? The most popular BMW 5 series? 4 pot diesel?

I am not surprised and what is more I reckon that 90% of MB customers won't even know that the engine is made by one of the most boring Japanese car manufactures (maybe apart of the new 370z and the skyline). It is all about the sales and customers want economical and reliable engines.


Are we typical customers.....?

I don't think so!



Greg

 

[st4]

I would want an economical and reliable engine. MB have got the 1st bit right with the their engine in my car. They haven't got the second bit right.

Normally, if it were Toyota or Honda involved I would be delighted. But Nissan have too much French influence now I fear to make a truly reliable car.

Secondly, agree its a shame re BMWs most popular five being a diesel. But a lot of them are company car pilots. The new Biturbo 4 engine, looks good, lighter, better handling as less mass further forward. Bet it will be a smashing drive

 

[minio]

Secondly, agree its a shame re BMWs most popular five being a diesel. But a lot of them are company car pilots. The new Biturbo 4 engine, looks good, lighter, better handling as less mass further forward. Bet it will be a smashing drive

Yes I agree with all of the above,... but that is one of the reasons why they are launching 4 series ... because 3 series is too common, 5 series may share the same future...

As for the 4 pot 328i (and 528i) I do agree that it may be a smashing drive but turboed 328i is wrong as a rule! 328, 528 and later 330 and 530 were all about 6pot refinement and all have non turbo engines! You will loose the 6 pot smoothnes... And that is what BMW s6's used to be about! There are good sides about turboed 4 pot's but no matter what they are, the are not S6 anymore!

Similar story with the new M5, good but not as good as old one..

G.

 

[Dieselman]

I am a driver and there is not a lot of drivers cars left on the market this days.

Are you joking?
Pretty well all cars are "drivers cars" nowadays, very few put passenger comfort anywhere near as important as handling.

 

[st4]

I do feel its a sad day you can't buy a BMW with a naturally aspirated engine.

However, they sell cars, and are going with the public and they seem to want smaller forced induction engines.

I read an article in a leading car magazine 2 years back with the phrase "the cars of today are the cars we need to preserve for tomorrow".

I have to concur, not just from a driving view, but also from reliability. Problems with all large diesel engines relating to EGR/manifolds/swirl flaps, turbo's and DSG type box's on petrols, high pressure injection. All a lot more to go wrong.

 

[minio]

Not I am not joking at all!

I have to say that the few new generation cars that I have driven were not driver orientated, definitely not enough for me...

I may have a wrong (different) opinion about it (in your eyes) but that definitely was my perception at the time. And also when I say driver orientated I don't only mean the handling, acceleration, braking etc as they are only few (OK, I admit more important than others...) factors out of the whole range of factors that together make driving a car a great (good or worse) experience. And handling is not always what you look for in the car anyway, is it?

I can imagine that everyone looks for something different when it comes to buying a car and that will change this person perception of an 'ideal' car or (in this case) a 'drivers' car. It varies depending on the status, life situation and character of the person (and loads of different factors)...

And again, in my opinion the 'new' cars that I have driven (various makes) weren't drivers orientated (not enough anyway).

Maybe I am bias when it comes to cars...?

...sure I am!


Greg

 

[Dieselman]

I may have a wrong (different) opinion about it (in your eyes) but that definitely was my perception at the time. And also when I say driver orientated I don't only mean the handling, acceleration, braking etc as they are only few (OK, I admit more important than others...) factors out of the whole range of factors that together make driving a car a great (good or worse) experience. And handling is not always what you look for in the car anyway, is it?

it is if you want it to be a drivers car, handling is near the top of the list.

What do you mean by "drivers car"?

 

[BenzedUP]

Time to buy a BMW or Audi.

Think your right Steve, if that happens then put me down for BMW.

 

[minio]

Ideally car that I would call a 'drivers' car would need to handle, brake and accelerate well, but also I would want an engine sound, RWD and good visibility from the drivers seat. Driver focused dashboard would be nice, and that's only few things from the top of my head. These also are the things that the modern cars that I have driven lacked in.

These are things that car would have to have for me to buy it brand new (to pay the extra, to spend my money on).

I need to stress out that I am person of a limited budget what makes imposible for me to go to the (an example) Porsche/Ferrari/BMW dealership and get one of theirs brand new 'drivers' cars.

There are people out there that love 4 pot engines and the way the rev and 'scream', people that like turbos and FWD cars. I can imagine that those people will find a great variety of 'drivers' cars out there. I don't. Everyone is different.


Greg

 

[Dieselman]

Think your right Steve, if that happens then put me down for BMW.

It's happening...

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[st4]

Think your right Steve, if that happens then put me down for BMW.

Me too, don't like the look of the forum as much but the car will drive nicely, not rust as much and maybe breakdown a bit less